Low power on Force 90Hp sportjet??

Thena

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This is the story so far: (Sorry for the long intro but I have to get it out of my system!!)<br /><br />Bought a 152 Donzi Medallion with a 90Hp force SportJet engine (OEO54226). When I bought it the engine was not working because the previous owner had blown it up. So I took it to the mechanic and he rebuilt it. New Pistons..the works...<br /><br />After the rebuilt I tried the boat and I couldnt get it to plane. It seemed to give out power in the beginning but at the end it would sound as if the rpm's drop a bit and that was it. In order to plane the boat I would have 2 people sitting right at the edge of the front of the boat. When it would finally plane out the boat would go at a maximum of 25mph.<br /><br />I went back to the mechanic and he told me that he couldnt help me because the engine had no problem. He said that it must be something else in the jet.<br /><br />So I checked the jet (Different mechanic) The jet was fine. Time was passing by and frustration started to kick in.<br /><br />Then I discovered this Bulletin Board and my life changed!!!! I decided after spendind $2000 that I would take matters into my own hands. So I started reading and performed the following test.<br /><br />I started the engine out of the water and started pulling the spark plug cables one by one. When pulling cable on cylinder #2 and #3 I could hear the engine losing rpm but #1 made no difference. So I took the boat back to the mechanic that rebuilt the engine saying that the problem was OBVIOUS! He told me that I should never test the engine this way and that I might have burnt the ignition system. He then did some tests and told me once more the engine works fine!<br />PLEASE HELP!! Could this be true????<br /><br />I decided to re-built the Carb on #1. I've opened the carb but it looks very clean. The only thing I noticed was that middle tube a long nail kind of thing was not completely straight and was touching one of the sides of the tube it was in. (Sorry for the description Item no:21 on carburator diagram). How can someone calculate how much to turn the screw that adjust the mixture?<br /><br />I also discovered that the spark plugs where wrong. It had BUHW instead of BZUHW-2 (I got BUHW-2 without the Z). Could that make a difference?<br /><br />I have measured compression on all 3 and it is fine #1 148 #2 155 #3 155<br />Also When I take out the spark plugs they all give spark.<br /><br />The only thing I dont have (still trying to find) is something to count the rpm at WOT.<br /><br />My mechanic also mentioned that I might have the wrong impeller. What would be the right impeller?? How can I check my impeller. Do I need to take the whole engine apart???<br /><br />PLEASE PLEASE HELP. LOTS OF QUESTIONS.. NO ANSWERS!!!!!!!<br /><br />Lucas
 

clanton

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Re: Low power on Force 90Hp sportjet??

The tube in the carb is made that way. You need a tach, the engine should turn around 5000 rpms loaded. Removing the plug wire at idle for rpm drop does not work always on 3 cylinder 2 cycle.
 

russthemuss

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Re: Low power on Force 90Hp sportjet??

hi lucas, i sure you had many replies to your earlier posts,pop back and have a read.<br />anyway,pulling the leads and not grounding them can cook the cdi.sounds like you got away with it.Did you check the wear ring in the jetpump?Didin't this boat have a sink?Sounds stupid but make sure the hull is dry.I had to drill a hole and drain a boat hull lsat week!!(gives all your symptons)Did you check out the drive system? If its splined they can strip and slip when under load. Take it out and test it some more and realy take note of what its doing.Is the jetpump seizing and pulling down the revs? Take note of the jet out the back. The pitch on the impellor is stamped on it,Keep us informed<br />gud luck
 

Thena

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Re: Low power on Force 90Hp sportjet??

How can I check if the hull is dry? I Made some holes in the bilge and there was little water cominng out for a few less than a minute and then it started dripping for a long time. I would guess that if there was alot of water it would starting coming out from the hole. <br /><br />Anyway the boat is back to the mechanic because the carbs are leaking gas. He has to take them out and check them. <br /><br />I was reading all available post abput trimming the engine to plane more quickly but I still dont get it. How can you trim a sportjet engine??????<br /><br />Thanks
 

ODDD1

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Re: Low power on Force 90Hp sportjet??

Lucas, some answers for you...compression numbers sound good...pullin plug wires with no load on the engine tells you nothing...get a load on the motor and then short the plug to ground to see if the cylinder is making power...idle pickup tube in carb has to touch main discharge tube or carb wont work right at higher rpm's...BUHW plugs are acceptable in this engine...only 'trim' on these units from factory was a shim adjustment on the rear of the ride plate...not trimmable underway....gotta narrow the prob down...if motor is revvivg and not moving the boat, is a boat/pump prob....if not revving, is a motor prob...
 

russthemuss

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Re: Low power on Force 90Hp sportjet??

Hi Lucas<br />My small DRIP lasted for two days! It adds up.Anyway i guess if the mechanic is working in a pool of water you will know.<br />If the trim was so bad it would still run fast on the plane even if it takes a while to get there.From your description of the problem i think your chasing the wrong way with the trim.If its shooting a jet of water into the sky when you take off then maybe the cause.Im still leaning towards the impellor clearance or your not runing enough revs.Make sure the throttle linkage is adjusted so the carb opens right up.<br />Keep at it!
 

Thena

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Re: Low power on Force 90Hp sportjet??

This engine has worked only for 2-3 hours MAX. The Impeller look brand new and the sleeve is in perfect shape. I discovered that one of the things that close when your press the choke(sorry for the description but I lack the correct word in english) in the bottom carb was not in the straight position when the the choke was release hence it was obstructing the air that was going throught it. My mechanic told me that no way he did it so I am trying to figure out how it happened. Anyway put it back to how it should be and I am going to try it next weekend.<br /><br />What I want to ask is .... as I said before a hose had broke and the hull filled with water. In this boat it is very hard to get to the foam. When it was filled with water I could see water pouring from the front of the boat to the back so I guess all of the foam was soaked in water. Does the foam dry? or is it still carrying another 200Kgr of weight? Because it is very difficult to get to it would mean taking the boat apart!!!<br /><br />Any input welcome! <br /><br />Thanks once more.. <br /><br />I might be spending money like crazy but at least I am learning.....
 

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Re: Low power on Force 90Hp sportjet??

I think you talking about the choke 'butterfly' not been fully open.Would not have been running at all well wide open! Try it and see, then worry about the foam,it dries out,should not be to waterlogged unless it sat under water for a time.<br />Fingers crossed
 

Thena

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Re: Low power on Force 90Hp sportjet??

Just to inform you.. I just got then boat back from my mechanic. He opened my carbs and told me there was dirt in them. I have a filter installed but just in case I dried out my tank and cleaned it with a piece of cloth. It wasnt that dirty, only a few small pieces lying around but you never know...<br /><br />I am now going to weigh the boat just in case there is still water in it. I have had reply from 2 people saying that the boat should weigh either 1100lbs or 1600lbs.. Is there anybody who can help me with that..?? <br /><br />Weight with both trailer and 90Hp engine.? Any guesses?<br /><br />Thanks to all the people out there giving a hand..
 

RICHRICH26

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Re: Low power on Force 90Hp sportjet??

Lucas, I have the same boat and the same exact problem to a t. I think you have a problem with air getting in the water intake. Did the boat ever backfire? If it did it will unseat the ride plate and let exhaust gas in to the intake. A easy way to find out is to gome to a hardware store and get some metal duct tape that ac guys use to sear their ducts. dont use cloth it will not work it has to be the metal/tin type. put it on the rideplate where it meets the boat. If you notice a dramatic difference in improvement that is your problem. You may even notice after you take it out of the water that it has holes blown in it. I hope this post is not too old and you are checking it because I know the frustration you are going through I dealt with it for 2 months.
 

Thena

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Re: Low power on Force 90Hp sportjet??

I weighed the boat and it weighs :1 ton and 20Kgr<br /><br />That is with the trailer. I have a feeling that it is a lot more than what it should be. Do you have any idea how much the boat should weigh with the engine and trailer????????<br /><br />Thanks
 

my new fishmaster

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Re: Low power on Force 90Hp sportjet??

This might sound stupid but my 96 75hp was doing the same thing. I tightened all the fuel hose lines and the tank. Could be your boat is not getting enough gas to run and not drawing enough fuel. Check your fuel pump and replace with diaphram kit. Its just a good idea also running a lower prop might help. I went from a 17 to 11.5
 

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Re: Low power on Force 90Hp sportjet??

Hi lucas, check out NADAguides.com they have a few specifications you may find usefull. A 1994 152 17ft is net 1500lb I guess you may be in the right ballpark depending on the trailer.I like RICHRICH26's idea!!Worth checking out.<br />Have you had it back in the water?
 

Thena

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Re: Low power on Force 90Hp sportjet??

Allright so this is how it goes: <br /><br />Weight wise:<br /><br />The boat with the trailer weighs 2.249lbs<br />The net weight of the boat should be 1500lbs<br /><br />So this meand that the trailer would have to weigh<br />749lbs. Then again I probably had 25lt of gas inside the tank as well.<br /><br />Nevertheless I took it out and the engine quite on me. It wouldnt start so I had to call for someone to rescue me. When the mechanic checked out the engine he told me that the stator was dead!<br /><br />This will never end........
 

russthemuss

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Re: Low power on Force 90Hp sportjet??

Use the search option and check out all the other woes for the force engine.You will probably find some good tests and tips. I think everyone has had stator failures!(including me) Their are some good parts available on ebay, but i guess you have to get them to Greece!<br />good luck again.
 

smalloutboardsarecool

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Re: Low power on Force 90Hp sportjet??

get a new "Macanic" if some one does not fix something the first time. Ask them to keep and show you all the Parts they replaced... If they do not, don't pay for the part :) . I got a new impel or once (this is the water coolingtype) they would not order me the Impellor to fix myself so I let them do it, I said only replace the impellor... When I got back two weeks later I had a 500 hundred dollar repair bill. they said I had pistin and gas probs (I did not I fixe all my engines my self) I asked if I could see these replace items. they did not, I then had the father of the Marine place come over and yelled at the mechanic..... he was trying to get more mony so replaced unesesary parts.... got it all and the old parts for free :)
 

Thena

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Re: Low power on Force 90Hp sportjet??

ATTENTION-ATTENTION-ATTENTION<br /><br />This is my final post under this topic since I finally solved my problem and I hope my answer will help others as well. <br /><br />After spending hours-days-months-year!! trying to figure out what was wrong I discovered the following:<br />1)After checking the weight of the boat I understood that weight was not my problem.<br />2)After having a stator failure I changed my stator with the red kit stator.<br /><br />GUESS WHAT?? It was the stator all along. After I changed the stator 40mph.. I couldnt believe it!!!! The engine must have been working with 2 cylinders in high rpm. The engine now sounds completely different and the boat planes quite quickly. Yes it is not a speedster but it is nothing like it used to be....<br /><br />I would like to thank all the people out there who gave a hand and I hope this story can help someone else since I almost gave up on my boat.........<br /><br />THANKS<br /><br />L.
 
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