86 Force 85hp, mount and water tube questions

jrlogan11

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Two questions:<br />1. My OB is mounted on a 24' pontoon boat. When I have the boat level (on a trailer), and the motor down, the motor is actually oriented so that it faces slightly upward, I'm guessing about 5-10 degrees. (I don't have a power trim, motor is either up or down) When the boat is in the water, it leans back, because like most pontoon boats, it is backheavy. This means that the motor is now facing even more upward, probably 10-15 degrees. Is this correct? Or would I get better power/efficiency if the engine is oriented exactly parallel to the water. Are there any established guidelines?<br /><br />2. I recently pulled the lower unit on this motor and noticed that when physically removing the lower unit, the water tube actually telescoped out about 6 inches before separating from the lower unit. At first I thought this was a 'feature' to make lining up the water tube easier on re-assembly, but now I think it may be a problem. Shouldn't this tube be fixed in position? With the lower unit off, I can easily slide it up and down with very little pressure. The top of the tube feels like it fits in some sort of 'slot', but it isn't tight or anything. It just slides until it hits something metal up near the powerhead. Is it supposed to have a seal or something up there to hold it in place? If I have to fix this, I have a bad feeling that it is going to be a bear. By the way, the motor pumps water fine and doesn't have problems with overheating, though I always wonder if the amount of water flow isn't a little too light.<br />Even if this isn't a problem, I'm curious where exactly does this tube go? (and don't tell me it carries water to the powerhead, duh!) Like, a detailed explanation of the water flow loop.
 

Bco128

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Re: 86 Force 85hp, mount and water tube questions

i own the same outboard but have it on an 18ft procraft bass boat.it too leans back slightly.not much help there i know but i have found no way to adjust it. i do have power trim but motor slowly sinks down so that dosent help much.bad seal i havent gotten around to replacing yet.so in anwser to your first question...i ain't got a clue. now as far as the water tube...are you speaking of the white plastic one in the pump housing or the copper tube.and for a quick trace of the water...ill start with the duh!!!s water enters into the lower unit zia ports on either side and is forced through a plastic tube by the impeller.it transfers directly into a copper tube which slides insidde the plastic one.up through a port in the lower end of the power head,going through small channels in the block until it reaches the themostat.from there it flows through the head. back down the other side of the block and into the exaust chamber where it helps filter and cool the exaust fumes then passes partially out the pee hole and through the trim tab.i left out some details otherwise this would be a very long post but that is the general route.
 

jrlogan11

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Re: 86 Force 85hp, mount and water tube questions

First, thanks for the reply.<br />1. I can adjust the angle of my motor, I just don't know if I should. My mount essentially clips to a metal crossbar that holds the engine in place, and I can move this bar to change the angle.<br /><br />2. I am talking about the copper tube, not the plastic guide on the water pump housing. The tube is loose and easily telescopes out of the motor leg about 6 inches or so. When I push it back up in I can feel that it slides into a slot or hole of some kind, but the fit isn't tight at all (ie: definitely not sealed or anything). The big question, is this normal, and if not, is it a problem?
 

Bco128

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Re: 86 Force 85hp, mount and water tube questions

to my knowledge the copper tube should not slide that way.mine does not..it is rather solid.to be honest i hae had little reason to look closely at it.iin my openion i would take a closer look at it using a flashlight.this is a bit puzzling ...still i have no anwser to your first question but have good recources and will dig in them a bit and see if i can find you a more solid anwser.will do my best.
 

jrlogan11

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Re: 86 Force 85hp, mount and water tube questions

Yeah, I tried to look with a flashlight, but there is really nothing to see. From the bottom there is a rubber guide that fits around the tube and blocks any view up into the motor leg. Looking through the exhaust port, I can see the upper part of the tube sliding as I move it, but it doesn't come all the way down to where I can see the actual top of the tube. I think the only way I could get a real view of this would be to remove the powerhead... :( :mad: :eek: :rolleyes:
 

bonita16

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Re: 86 Force 85hp, mount and water tube questions

Just a thought on your first question. The angle of the motor regulates the plane of the boat. You can adjust the angle up or down depending on the angle of plane you want for best performance and gas mileage. If the motor is too straight, you'll lower your bow and be pushing too much water and kill the mileage/performance.
 

jrlogan11

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Re: 86 Force 85hp, mount and water tube questions

Good thoughts Bonita. It'd be really nice if I had a tilt trim that I could play with while on the water to find the best position. However, this is on a pontoon boat, not a planing boat. I just don't know what the optimum orientation is, or where to look to find out. Anybody know?
 

eurolarva

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Re: 86 Force 85hp, mount and water tube questions

Hey jrlogan11 <br />This is in response to your second question. I have a chrysler and this may not be correct for your motor. The 55hp to 85 hp motors on chrysler have a rubber gasket on the power head that you plug the copper water tube into. On mine when I push the tube up it stays there and requires a little effort to remove the tube from this seal. If you you have the clymor manual you should have a blow up of the lower unit. This blow up should show wheather your motor has this gasket. I would guess there has to be one or you would loose water pressure because of leaks.<br />If you dont have a blow up of the lower unit check out this site. Find your motor and select lower unit. It has blow ups of the lower unit and should tell you if you have a seal on top<br /> http://www.mercruiserparts.com/SelectModelType3.asp?class_id=2
 

Safevet

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Re: 86 Force 85hp, mount and water tube questions

I have an 85hp force engine and I run mine as close to the boat as I can (by moving the bar your talking about).<br />Now as far as the tub, yes it should not slide down like that and it wont be as hard as you think to replace the seal or gasket what ever it is called.<br />I sure didn’t want to take mine apart but after I did it wasn’t as hard as I thought. If you know it isn’t overheating and it is putting out enough water then I wouldn’t worry about it.<br />Gary
 

Bco128

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Re: 86 Force 85hp, mount and water tube questions

see why i love this sight? always someone who knows what the heck is going on.
 
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