Chrysler 70hp just quits at speed

NJFisherman

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Hello all ad thanks for helping in advance. here is my problem:<br /><br />I have a 70 HP Chrysler, 1979, 700Skier Model, 709HAON that has run fairly well for many years. I have always taken good care of the engine as I inherited the boat and engine frommy late father-in-law and always considered it to be an honor to carry on with his equipment. Recently, we went on vacation and toward the end were out fishing on the water and the engine wouldn't start. We got it back tothe launch with the electric motor and brought it back to our cabibns and with the help of several knowledgeable friends and thru the standard tests determind that the coil and/or CD unit had gone bad. I bought a CDI electronics Coil and CD unit (the combined package) and replaced the original with them and started the engine up the next weekend with hose attached. It ran like a champ and we launched the boat. The boat them seemed to do something funny. It starts great and immediately and it only takes one pop from the starter motor to get it going. It moves fime at idle speed and slow speed, but as soon as I kick it and try to get up on plane, the engine shuts down, like someone has just hit a KILL switch. Restarting is no problem, it starts right up and does the same thing. I can go at least a couple miles at 5 mph or a little faster, but as soon as I try to open the throttle it does the same thing, it is like someone shuts the electrical down completely. It always starts right up afterward too. Fuel lines are good, bulb is always hard within reason and fuel pump diaphragm appears to be intact and uncompromised. We havent completely eliminated a fuel problem, but the way the engine cuts out ( like someone turned off the ignition) leads me to believe that the new CD unit isnt pulling its wieght at higher rpms. It appears that the shutoff occurs around 3-4000 rpms and varies, but is always in that area. We tried the old coil and CD unit in various combos with the new parts and the old ones are definitley bad. Like I said the engine, starts better than I have ever seen it in the past and the idle and slow speeds are running beautifully, barely a wisp of smoke, gas mix is good, cleaned the bowls, tried different tanks, etc.... If it was a fuel prob, I would expect it to sputter and die, not just go like someone turned off the key. Key switch appears to be intact and no corrosion or breaks. The only thin I havent checked is the throttle control unit at the drivers seat, but it would seem odd that it would choose to go at the same time the CD and coil went last week. Anyone seen this before?<br /><br />I have all the manuals, parts lists and original schematics and such, anyone think the aftermarketCD unit might be faulty and is shutting the engine down at a certain amount of current? I figure a coil is a coil, it either works or it doesnt. Please help, my wife and I are heading back to the lake this weekend and would like to take the necessary parts with us to fix the problem. I have not looked at the preamp and the light sensitive switch but wouldnt figure on that being the prob. I am pretty handy when it comes to working on the engine, but not an expert.
 

NJFisherman

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Re: Chrysler 70hp just quits at speed

Btw, it was a Chrysler magnapower ignition CD and coil and does anyone know the NAPA number for the fuel pump diaphragm and gasket for this engine? Thanks again.
 

eurolarva

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Re: Chrysler 70hp just quits at speed

18-7806 is the part number for the pump kit at NAPA. They usually dont have them on their shelf and it takes two days to get them in. I would call them before you go in and have them order it for you. Have you tried choking the motor when it is getting ready to quit? I doubt this is fuel related but the fuel pump kit is cheap and a good thing to get out of the way. Have you pulled the plugs and checked the tips to see if all units are firing the same? Have you done a compression test?<br /><br />This problem sounds like a stator issue however I dont think that motor has a stator. What ever fires the high RPM side of your ignition sounds like it is not compatable with the new ignition parts you installed.<br /><br />Go here and post the relevent information and The Marine Doctor should be able to help you<br /> The Marine Doctor Web Site
 

NJFisherman

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Re: Chrysler 70hp just quits at speed

Thanks, yeah I hit up the Marine Doc about it and his take was that it was looking like a regulator problem. After thinking about it, it made a lot of sense. The CD unit needs at least 12.6V to operate and if the regulator/rectifier ( this engine has a combined unit) isnt pulling it's wieght the CD wont work properly. At slow speeds the engine isnt calling for as much current to run 12.6V thru the CD and when the engine hits around 3000 Rpms the draw is too much for the reg/rec to keep up and the voltage most likely drops to a point where the CD cant operate so the engine shuts off electronically. I checked and double chekced with the people who market the CD unit and they confirmed it was the correct one and suggested it might be preamp or reg/rect also. The reg/rec can be damaged by trying to rn it with a bad connection and when I thought back, when I did the install of the new CD and Coil, I noticed that the Pos+ lead from the stator to the reg/rect had come out of the crimp connection ( most likely from vibration) so I recrimped and reconnected it, but the damage was probably already done and it most likely caused the old CD unit to fail. <br /><br />I am getting the Reg/rect, a preamp and a few other goodies like a new key switch (just in case), fuel pump diaphragm, gasket, starter relay (needed a new one anyway)as we speak. FOund the fuel pump stuff for about 2 bucks for the parts, but the other stuff was not that cheap. I figured that if it wasnt the key, or pump, at least I'll have the extra stuff for the future, I'm paraniod about being stuck without repair parts since they dont make a lot of this stuff anymore. I am looking for a new distrib cap though if anyone knows where I might find one, thats a tough peice to find. <br /><br />I am going back up to the lake this weekend to work on the engine and will let you know what transpires. WIsh me luck cause the fishing in the Adirondacks of NY State gets pretty darn good this time of year and stays good until the end of Oct or however long a person can stand fishing into the Fall.
 

eurolarva

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Re: Chrysler 70hp just quits at speed

Glad to hear the Marine Doctor was able to help you. Those electircal problems can be hard to diagnos over the internet and he is as good as it comes concerning chrysler ignition systems.
 

tnstreamy

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Re: Chrysler 70hp just quits at speed

Hey NJFisherman Just popped in to see is you may be able to give me a heads up on two relays I have for my 1970 70 hp Chrysler.
They're matching Bosch 5 pin relays with 12V 20/30A on top They have the wires and connectors, but I don't know where they connect? Since yours is running I thought maybe a brief schematic might work.
I'm on a pontoon project and bought the motor with no harness! only control box and cables. The guy on the internet that sold the harness doesn't know how to install??
I'm registering on Marine Doctor to see if they can help.

Any help thanks in advance
keep her bow into the wind.
 

emoney

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Re: Chrysler 70hp just quits at speed

Hi Tnstreamy. Welcome from a fellow forum newbie. However, I thought I'd mention that you've replied to a 5 year old thread and may not get a response. If you really need one, might be best to start a new thread.

Good luck!:)
 

Moon Rock

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Re: Chrysler 105 HP 1978 Pre-amp

I have chrysler 105hp 1978 on my boat and there is not spark. Checked the coil and CD and its okay. While testing the pre-amp, it fluctuates between 7V to 12V while turning the flywheel or inserting paper between the LED and receiver. Does this pre-amp bad? Should it be fluctuating between 0-12V instead?
 
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