Hey Lube Dude .... no synthetic til 5000?

SeaMasterZ@aol.com · Dec 4, 2003

here is the feedback I am getting on the S-10 forum mobil one, amsoiled, et al, GREAT lubes BUT you have to wait til 5000 or the rings wont be seated properly? that would have to be cause the stuff is so slippery the rings cant "wear in" correctly then, right? so to follow this line of reasoning, its almost as if the motor becomes wear-proof by the synthetic oil, using synthetic should allow the motor to go virtually limitless miles if properly maintained (well, lubricated, reciprocating parts anyway, I guess valves could get burned up) and not to get too wacko on this line of thought, but synthetic rear oil should make rears last forever, since they nearly last that long anyway with dyno juice, and synthetic trans fluid would be the bomb since tranny fluid, (auto trans that is) goes thru hell in the torque converter - all parts lubed by synthetic, auto trans should go for a long long time too synthetic grease ... eh, why not? cant hurt! another round of obsession coming up!!!

KennyKenCan · Dec 4, 2003

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Hey Ray, Then how can you explain the fact that every Corvette, Porshe 911, and Ferrerri, all come with synthetic oil right from the factory? My brothers '98 Dodge Caravan, also came from the factory with synthetic oil, Mobil 1! Warranty would be voided if he uses conventional oil! So, I can't imagine any reason why you would not consider the use of synthetic from day one! First thing I did to my '87 Dodge Shadow 2.2L four cylinder, when I bought it in 1986, was to put in synthetic oil. After 14 years of driving that car, and 378,000 miles, the transmission died, and that transmission had conventional 5W-30 motor oil in it, the interior fell apart and the body was beginning to rust, but that engine still ran perfectly, and did not burn one drop of synthetic oil. As a matter of fact, when I changed that oil at every 5000 miles, it was still on the full mark, every time. Just my experience with synthetic, and that is why I use it exclusivly.

LubeDude · Dec 4, 2003

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Castaway: You said it, not me!! I like it, I use it, (for 25+ years) No problems! VERY Happy!!

As to NO WEAR, I dont think we are there yet!! Im getting ready to change my 4X4 Ranger over, But I really like the 2 cycle oil! Its not for everyone, I just like the added performance and protection! I could care less about the cost! Email me, well talk more!! rays-shop1@juno.com LubeDude

mellowyellow · Dec 4, 2003

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old myths die hard... having a hard time visualizing Kenny in an '87 shadow???? LOL

LubeDude · Dec 4, 2003

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Kenny: I dont think Ray is knocking it, (Although with his sence of humor its sometimes hard to tell!! I think he may be actually thinking of trying it!! Oh, I just figured out what you ment! Duh!! Ya, I have always heard of the Idea about breaking in an engine on regular oil too, but this is what I read somewhere! Lots of overhead cam engines were failing on inicial fireup at the factory on conventional oils due to the lack of ZDDP in the new oils, so they went with a synyhetic to keep this from happening! Im not sure where I stand on this one! I gave this site before, but give it a try, it has the most information on oil by independent analisis than any site I have ever found! web page LubeDude

JB · Dec 4, 2003

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Hey, Ray. You can add Mercedes Benz to KennyKenCan's list of vehicles that come from the factory with synthetics. My ML, in fact, requires it. This is an interesting topic and I think it belongs in the Non-Boating Topics Forum. Gonna move it there so that it doesn't get lost in the chat threads. Try it, you'll like it!

one more cast · Dec 4, 2003

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My way of thinking is...Take the extra money that the synthetic cost and put it in a jar.Use plain old oil and when/if the motor goes you will have enough money in the jar to buy a new motor.

p.s. the motor will outlast the body anyway where I live.

SeaMasterZ@aol.com · Dec 4, 2003

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My mind automatically filters out vast ideaologies, such as the corporate mind set regarding machining tolerances, potential downstream cash outflow problems and the like however, I find that if I attenuate that filter to the 50% level, I can accomodate such thoughts therefore, my mind is running at maximum capacity with half-vast ideas!

Among these ideas are: the cars mentioned, Porsche, MB, et al are all pushing for max efficiency, maximal output per liter of displacement - therefore they are machined to incredibly exacting tolerances, such that standard petroleum lubrication, which begins breaking down the moment the impellers suck it into the pump, would create a situation incompatible with rotational constancy - all aluminum alloy V-8 engines are EXPENSIVE, especially if they come from Germany the S-10, however, hey I love my little red truck, its the best vehicle Ive ever had, but technologically speaking, its a chiseled stone wheel, old OLD school, perhaps it is the case that it indeed is designed for initial dinosaur lubing, but once the tolerances are "self machined" to what I will assume is an optimal level... THEN the synthetic can go in! but just to err on the safe side, one more gallon of brontosaurus brew can slosh around the little guys guts and then Ill go synthetic, oh YEAH I love the idea of synthetics, natural things have their place, within the human body, but artificial constructs, such as machines, being made from the mind of man, can only benefit from chemical engineering - there are reasons that engineers include tolerances within their designs, primarily to compensate for the compromised nature of petroleum lubrication ... sythetics are specifically made to LUBRICATE sounds good to me, Ill go fer it!

as far as that glass jar is concerned, well ... a standard oil change goes 3 k, a synthetic goes 5 k so its actual net cost is something like 5% greater (which amounts to a dime every hundred miles) thats a hell of a lot of dimes, about a baby food jar worth ... which would buy a rubber band motor for a balsa wood plane, lol

KennyKenCan · Dec 4, 2003

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Ray, That little motor is built to more exacting tolorances than you think. Everyone immediatly assumes that American car builders don't make good engines, but 378,000 miles proves that they are just as superior as any other manufacturer. That motor in your truck was built pretty much to the same tolorances as the Mercedes or BMW or Porche, heck, the Corvette uses the same smallblock V-8 my mother had in her 1957 Chevy Bel Aire Station Wagon, we're talking about a 48 year old design!

SeaMasterZ@aol.com · Dec 4, 2003

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(I get my oil changed at a car wash now, they use Castrol oil, costs 24.95 with a full service wash, soft cloth system, sythetic is 20 extra, and very very often there are coupons that bring the cost down to 16- 18 bucks) washing a truck in the WINTER aint fun, so ... Ill spring for the luxury, Im dammed frugal the rest of the time - cept for boats booze and broads, but hey, the rest I spend foolishly! lol

KennyKenCan · Dec 4, 2003

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LubeDude, You obviously know a little more about oil than I, and thanks for clearing up the reasons the manufacturers went to synthetics. I also understood that Ray was only asking about the synth's, but my recommendation to him is that in my opinion, synthetics is the only way to go, no matter the brand. My suggestion to Ray is, and this is only my opinion, use the synthetic, even at zero (0) miles on the odometer. Started running synthetic oils in my vehicles in 1984, when a quart of Mobil 1 was going for $8, and conventional oils where selling for .79 cents. My, how times have changed.

SeaMasterZ@aol.com · Dec 4, 2003

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its **** near a horse a cubic inch, its no slouch, but I dont think its built to MB tolerances 1955 on the SB chevy, lol, amazing aint it? it was redesigned in 98 as the Vortec 2200, redesigned the cylinder head and went to roller lifters (!) its sweet, its smooth, and like I say, I love it, but I dont think its built to German specs I bet it goes 200 K without the slightest problem this summer Ill roll a TON Of miles, lots of stuff to do down the shore, kitchen is going in the little house, fridge, stove, drywall, cabinets, the Little Red Truck is going to get a workout and dragging fishin boats, ice chests, loads of fish, lol, the Warden wants to move over the summer so thats gonna mean the Garage has to get cleaned out of outboards and parts and my workbench and on and on and on, MOPE, poor little thing is gonna drop over, lol, good thing its under warranty!

SeaMasterZ@aol.com · Dec 4, 2003

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I remember 8 bucks a quart, 12 for 18 wheeler stuff, Rotella I believe, now I can get a gallon jug for 16 bucks, all the time, and even cheaper on sale remember Arco Graphite oil? HATED the stuff, how could you tell it was dirty? lol ah well, I better get going down the road Im considering buying a beater blazer for this snow stuff, I got a line on one for 500, an 86 with a V-6 four wheel drive, lol, neat little truck, hope Red dont get jealous!

LubeDude · Dec 4, 2003

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I cant beleive Im posting this! Ive checked out the super tech oils that Wall- Mart sells, (Made by Quakerstate Penzoil) and there filters! (Made by Champion)! Acording to oil analisis, the oil is a decent oil and the filters are decent too! with a change at 3,000 miles you will do you car NO harm!! Can you do better?? YES!! Can you get a better filter?? YES!! Will you hurt your engine?? NO!! Do I go to Wall Mart for my oil changes, NO!!! Im not sure the people that work in the shop can screw on an oil filter, and not strip out the drain plug!!

Now, I shouldnt have said that!! LubeDude

KennyKenCan · Dec 4, 2003

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I agree LubeDude, Never ever get your oil changed at Wal-Mart, or K-Mart, or even Jiffy Lube! If you cannot do it yourself, take it to a competent mechanic! One you can trust. One that will be there tommorrow. The guy that could have changed your oil, could have been fighting with his boss and was pissed-off, so do you think he would give a ratsass about your car? Besides, how good, could he be, if he's only recieving minimum wage.

LubeDude · Dec 4, 2003

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Oh Man, Dont even mention "Iffy" (Misspelling intentional) Lube!! On the Bobistheoilguy.com forum there is a post going on now about Jiffy Lubes! You wouldnt beleive the screwups!! Everything you could even imagine, fron not even changing the oil or filter to stripped plugs, and forgetting to even put oil back in!! If the filter is too tight, "screw it" and leave the old one on! Unbelievable! I really do not enjoy changing my own oil but i have a good place to do it so it isnt that bad! At least I know it was done right!! and I know what Ive got!! LubeDude

SeaMasterZ@aol.com · Dec 4, 2003

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the guy that changed the oil is the same one that fixed the flat, seems like a good guy, and I give him tips cuz I KNOW hes stuck makin min wage, just a few bux but thats all I can spare right now besides, Im watching him like a hawk, you gonna mess up when there is a 400 pound GORILLA breathing down your neck? LOL he was the one that was laughing when he pulled the nail out of the tire, "I know you gonna take pictures of this thing" lol, well, busted again while I was out tonight, I wanted to just go ride around and look at lights, I love Christmas displays Instead, I did a little shopping, checked out the new trailer for Hydrophobia, and while I was there checked out that blazer, if I can pull together a deal for 6 bills, Ill go for it, leave me just enough for my "big gun" gift for the girls behave, behave!!!

anyway ... Im tired as hell, I should sleep but too much to do, im too old for this chit! but ... as Baretta used to say, Ya keep strokin til ya get to shore!

walleyehed · Dec 4, 2003

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Hey guys!! Never gave it much thought about auto oil, but this topic caught me on the issue of running synthetic from the start.....well, I tried that in my 96' GMC, (yea,I know...GOT MECHANIC COMIN') first thing I did when I got the truck....dump the oil, change the filter, fill'er up with mobile1 5W30, and off into the sunset.......problem was, at about 800 miles, I started seeing oil drips in the driveway. I crawled under one day and looked and all I could find was a small trail coming down to the bell-housing...first thought-rear main. Went back to dealership, and was told synthetic should not be used for the first 10,000 miles due to the SEALS.?????????? We put 4 qts. std Mobile 5W30, and 1 qt. of lubriplate CFL oil (cleaning agent). At about 2400 miles, it did quit leaking, and I never looked back. I cover alot of territory working on aircraft around the central U.S., and have almost 210,000 on it now. I've stuck with the 5W30 and changed as close to 2000 miles as I can get, some 500 over, some a few hundred sooner. I wanted to go back to synthetics after that 10,000 mark, but was at 50,some thou before I knew it, and was told it wouldn't do any good at that point-too many miles to change now, I was told...........can't complain too loud, it's still goin'........

Skinnywater · Dec 4, 2003

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A bit more is spent on R&D with the German stuff. They run 3-5 years ahead of the other manufactures. Sometimes decades ahead. JB's M112 engine in his ML is a 3.2 liter all aluminum alloy engine that has 215hp, 233lb torque. It's a ultra low emission, low friction engine. 18 roller rockers and dual sequential and simultanious firing ignition. It's a even firing 90 deg. V6 with a split pin crankshaft and a counterbalance shaft. The 8 quarts of Mobil1 is monitored by an oil quality sensor that measures the conductivity of the oil. The oil change service is flexible depending on the conductivity. This can last as long as 15k miles with 12k being the average. His motor produces close to 1hp per pound of engine weight and is capable of more then 20mpg, 0-60/9 seconds in a 4500lb SUV. And it's a 1998 model.

SeaMasterZ@aol.com · Dec 5, 2003

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::mental note to self, Self, no synth til ten grand:: sheesh! Ill change it out every two thou, Ill keep it clean!

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