VHS to DVD

marcmccain

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I searched back through old post to see if we'd ever discussed how to convert vhs tapes to dvd. I saw only one post by Schematic, Oct. '03, talking about 3:2 pulldown. But I'm not interested in converting 8mm films to dvd -- only vhs to dvd. I have home videos and a collection of purchased videos in both PAL and SECAM format since I have lived in two worlds (The USA and Spain).<br /> <br /><br />I have read some reports on the net about converting vhs tapes to dvds; i.e., some systems will bypass Hollywood's protection systems and others won't -- this is important if you want to backup your own collection of vhs tapes (not all of us are pirates :) ). <br /><br />My question is: Has anyone had any practical experience converting their home videos and purchased videos to dvd format? If so, what advice would you give?
 

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no i have not .. but just came on here to say.. WHERE YA BEEN,,WARHORSE..?? your a great asset to these boards..<br /><br />don't make so far between..
 

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Thanks crab bait! I haven't gone anywhere. I check the board regularly and only pitch a comment into the arena when my thoughts haven't already been expressed by one of our distinguished colleagues. I have never been a "Chatty Kathy" and I refrain from "me too" comments. I care naught for racking up numbers so I never comment just to count one-more-post. You can see that my number of post are minimal, but I hope I have stepped in at the right moments and helped someone in the process. <br /><br />I guess that if this was an old country store the hurrahing-fun-loving-checker-players would be battling it out in the center of the room and I'd be the one quietly standing by the pot-bellied stove quietly observing. <br /><br />Quiet as I may be, I'm still here and willing to help when needed. A lots of folks have joined the board since the early days and are enriching all of our lives; but you know, I sure do miss Schematic and the Shofin Priest Underwood. I hope they are like me, still here but mostly unheard because they have become modest and reserved. If not, I hope they find their way back... My best to you!
 

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thanks for the 'open-up' there WAR HORSE.. <br />i sure do miss that good ole' derwood,too he sure made an impact quick ..!! like a ball bat to the head... ;) he sure is a special (ed) guy.. ;) <br /><br />didn't know SCHEMATIC well at all..<br /><br />we're now puttin' out a APB on mia DJ.. <br /><br />place needs you more than what your givin' WARHORSE.. don't be shy,, bust on in..!!
 

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Hi warhorse<br />Done lots of conversion. I've been full circle with methods and equipment. It all depends on your personal needs<br /><br />>are you fussy and want the absolute best, or is average good enough<br />>do you want to use the PC to edit, enhance and author DvD's?<br />>do you have a camcorder, or in the process of purchase?<br />>do you have a multi mode VCR that will play secam and NTSC in NTSC format?<br /><br />Let us know your requirements, and we'll make some suggestions. Benefit from my several months of R&D and agony :)
 

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Hi Schematic,<br /><br />Glad to hear from you again! Hope all has been well with you and yours! Have always respected and admired your advice. Here is what I had in mind...<br /><br />Yes, I'm fussy. Good quality is paramount but I don't want to go to the expense of professional level equipment -- no intentions of commercial use. I want good quality for personal home use. But, I don't want to regret having gotten a second rate copy of the kid's baby videos.<br /><br />I want to edit, enhance and author DvD's.<br /><br />I have 3 PCs. All pentium II's with Windows ME and 2000 Pro operating systems. I am willing to build a new pc if necessary. Speed isn't important though, so I wouldn't build an new pc just to do it quicker.<br /><br />I have a camcorder. Hitachi D2MV100E, a DVD/CAM using mini DVDs. I will want to copy from camcorder to regular DvDs.<br /><br />I have 3 VCRs. All are multi-system. They will record and play in both SECAM and PAL formats.<br /><br />I want to copy VHS tapes to DVD. Some are in SECAM and some in PAL. Typical home videos, a collection of Walt Disney's, and an asundry of other purchased VHS tapes. <br /><br />I will want to back-up copies of both home videos and purchased DVD movies (with copy protection). Since I live in Spain they are coded ZONE 2.<br /><br />Currently I don't have a DVD copier. Waiting to learn more before purchasing. As I mentioned, I'm willing to build a new pc if the pentium IIs won't handle the task. <br /><br />The final product that I want is a DvD that will play on PAL system DvD players(Zone 2) here in Europe. Would be nice if I could also copy to SECAM with the ZONE Code used in the US (I don't know if the ZONE codes in the US and Canada are different.). Then I could send copies to my family back in the USA. But if copying into both systems is not possible then I would prefer copying to PAL, ZONE 2 for Europe.<br /><br />I would appreciate any advice or lessons learned from your experience. Thanking you in advance for your time and help. And I am glad you are still with us!!!
 

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Hi Warhorse<br />I had hoped you wanted quality. . . :) <br /><br />1. You need an analog to digital converter. I'm hoping that your camcorder has that feature.(I'd bet it does since its newer) There are stand alone units out there, but the one in your camcorder is better. Don't even consider a capture card for the PC. The output from your VCR will connect to the input of the camcorder. Use s-video if your VCR supports it.<br /><br />2. You'll need a firewire card for the PC. They run about $30 in Canada. The output of your camcorder will connect to the firewire card via a firewire cable (supplied with the card).<br /><br />3. You'll need a big hard drive (in addition to your system drive). One hour of mildly compressed video will take up approx. 30 gig. I'd recommend a 160 gig WD. about $100 Canadian (on sale). I have 4 of them in my PC, but I work on more than one file at a time.<br /><br />4. You'll need a DvD burner. I'd recommend an LG GSA-4040b ($110 Canadian on sale) Its important to get one that burns -r and +r formats. LG burns all three formats (ram as well).<br /><br />5.You'll need a decent editing software. Ulead Media Studio, Ulead Video Studio, or Adobe Premiere Pro. (pending on your needs and budget)<br /><br />6. You'll need a DvD authoring software. I use Ulead DvD Workshop, but its overpriced. If you want bang for buck, try TMPGEnc DvD author. Poor menu system but works.<br /><br />7. You'll need a "capture software" to interface the PC with the camcorder. There are plenty of free-ware ones around, but you need one that can use a Huffyuv codec for lossless compression. You must use huffyuv or PIC lossless codec or you will lose quality in the transfer. I don't care who makes it, if its not lossless, its useless. I use iuVCR. It works with Huffyuv. Its a little unstable, but if you decide with it, I'll help with the bugs.<br /><br />8.You'll need a compression software. This is funny cause the best one is the cheapest. TMPGEnc is what you want. When you compress your video to DvD format, you must use a "constant bitrate of 8000" Anything less, and you'll degrade.<br /><br />9.you'll need a fast computer (faster the better) with winXP. 512 ram minimum. <br /><br />*capture using huffyuv codec<br />*edit the file before compression (avi format)<br />*export the file using huffuv or uncompressed<br />*if scenes are dark, use the noise filter in TMPEnc<br />*compress with 8000 bitrate (don't bother with variable bit rate)<br />*use only brand name DvD disks for maximum<br /> compatibility. TDK, Maxell are good choices.<br />*One hour of video to a DvD (if you get more on than that, you're doing it wrong)<br /><br />Thats a start. You will hear many opinions about capture cards. Most people who comment on them have nothing of quality to compare to. I'm fussy. My video DvD's are as good or better in some cases than the original. Strive for duplication. There is ALWAYS some degradation when converting from analog to digital. If you play smart, you can compensate for this and atleast equal the original. Remember, DvD format is moderately compressed. Don't count on editing the video once it has been converted to DvD format (MPEG2). Don't consider VCD or SVCD either (waste of time). Home movies are priceless, and eventually your finished product will be all that is left in existence. Leave behind the highest quality possible for future generations.<br />*remember, the clock is ticking. The longer you wait, the worse the VHS quality gets (VHS was poor to begin with). And as the old saying goes......garbage in, garbage out<br /><br />Good luck :)
 

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Hi Schematic,<br /><br />Sorry of the delay in my reply. We’re in the middle of mid-term exams and I’m burning the midnight oil grading papers.<br /><br />WOW! Your advice is spot on! Having laid out a good map for me to follow, I just got off the phone – ordered everything to build a new pc. <br /><br />Only down side is that my camcorder won’t serve to convert analog to digital. It’s a Hitachi with DVD/RAM (uses mini disk). It’s less than a year old but it doesn’t have input jacks… only output. So I’ll have to compare stand alone units with another camcorder that has both input/output jacks. (You said that a camcorder is better than a stand alone unit. Are you referring to quality? If so, I’ll have to with a second camcorder rather than a stand alone converter to get the better quality.)<br /><br />You gave me a lot of your valuable time when you answered my question -- I appreciate your advice. I’ll let you know how it goes after I get it all together.
 

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Hi again.<br /><br />As far as stand alone analog/digital converters (bridges)go, I haven't seen any decent quality. It could be that the compression settings that people are using are wrong. You absolute must use a lossless codec. If this is not an option with the stand alone, don't bother with it. I'm not saying they are all bad, but I haven't seen good results. Lower end Bridges run about $300 around here. Thats over half the price of a camcorder with A/V inputs and firewire out. Its been my experience that the electronics in a Sony camcorder does a better job than a lower end bridge. I just purchased a Canon Optura 20 but haven't tried converting yet.<br /><br />There is another option for you. The Panasonic stand alone DvD player/burner supposedly does a good job. You have to buy an upper model to get edit ability (has a hard drive inside). They still are abit pricey, but it simplifies the whole process. You don't need a computer either. . . :)
 

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Schematic,<br /><br /> Please bear with me... You offered to give me some tips with iuVCR. Since you last advised here is where I am. I bought the Sony TRV33 which I've found excellent in converting analog to digital. The capture software that came with Sony is good but I don't know if it's lossless. I bought the iuVCR and you are right -- it's QUIRKY. I spent a few days reading the instructions and the entire weekend playing with the capture program... still don't have it right. If you don't mind, would you tell me the settings you use when you capture with iuVCR. The only difference between us is that you would use NTSC and I would use PAL...<br /><br />Thanks in advance!
 

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Warhorse<br />I noticed that iuvcr has been updated since I last used it. Hopefully it has been debugged.<br /><br />What codec are you choosing when you select compression type? Do you see a "DV codec" or "Huffyuv" present?<br /><br />What kind of problems are you having?<br /><br /> :)
 

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as a professional video producer and long time digital editor. do not subject yourself to the learning curv your friends are leading you in to. <br />take your tapes to a professional and let them do it on a system that is "mac" based. DO NOT upgrade your PC it's only going to drive you nuts. PC's are not good video machines at all. we've used them and they are junk for video applications... trust me on this. <br />if you transfer the stuff to digital tape i.e. mini dv or dvcam<br />it will cost less. borrow your friends digital camcorder copy your vhs stuff and take those digital tapes to some local independant video guy (phone book) and let him do it for you... you'll be able to go boating and have a nice peacful time. best advice ever!!!<br />C.
 

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Hi Schematic,<br /><br />Here is my problem:<br />I click on the video tab.<br />I left click on the Capture Format: then the Video Stream Panel comes up; however, I am not able to make any choices. The panel won't accept anything.<br /><br />I left click on the video tab.<br />I right click on the capture format tab: properties panel appears but I can't change any of the properties.<br /><br />Thinking it may have been contaminated. I deleated and downloaded again. Same consequences.<br /><br />I tried downloading huffyuv but couldn't install it. Instructions said to download the zip file, uncompress the files to a temp direcory, right-click on the huffy.inf file and select "Install". Problem is that I get no "huffy.inf" file to "install" with. I only got a huffyuv.dll file with the download but no huffy.inf. <br /><br />You asked what I have when I click on compression: I don't have DVcodec or HuffyUV on the list. Here is what I show:<br /><br />None (uncompressed)<br />(bmp) Capture to images<br />DS DMO JPEG Video Compressor<br />(DV) DV Interweave (Typer-1)<br />(DS)WMVideo Encoder DMO<br />(DS)DS MSScreen Encoder DMO<br />(DS)WMVideo9 ENcoder DMO<br />(DS)MSScreen9Encoder DMO<br />(DS)DV VIDeo Encoder<br />(DS)Indeo (R) Video 5.10 Compression Filter<br />(DS) Ligos GoMotion Capture Encoder filter<br />(DS)MJPEG Compressor<br />(VFW) Cinepak Codec by Radius<br />(VFW) Intel 4:2:0 Video V2.50<br />(VFW) Intel Ideo (R) Video R3.2<br />(VFW) Intel Ideo (R) Video 4.5<br />(VFW) Intel (R) Video 5.10<br />(VFW) Intel IYUV codec<br />(VFW) microsoft H.261 Video Codec<br />(VFW) microsoft H.263 Video Codec<br />(VFW) microsoft RLE<br />(VFW) microsoft Video 1<br /><br />That's all I show... and I'm unable to download huffyuv... maybe my system isn't WIN32.. don't know. My operating system is Windows XP.<br /><br />When I click on the"info" tab here is what I'm showing:<br /><br />dvsd 720X576<br />none (uncompressed)<br />Encoder Filter (Roxio)<br />0 Obit Stereo<br />PCM-44.100 kHz, 6 bit stereo<br />Master Stream:Audio<br />Unlimited<br /><br />Your thoughts?
 

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Cruz,<br /><br />Appreciate your advice but as you noticed I live in Madrid, Spain... and I don't have a local video guy. So I'm on-my-own in uncharted waters.<br /><br />"Beyond this place be monsters" as the sailors of old used to say. But Schematic has gotten good results and I'm following his lead. <br /><br />Like the Air Force Thunderbirds the wingmen trust the lead. They trust him so much that should he fly into the ground they would follow him in. I'm the wingman on this project. ;) So if you have any advice for us -- would love to hear how we can get there from here. Thanks!
 

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i'm reading the past replies let me think this situation through for ya. you're in deep my friend... but we can get it done.<br />c.
 

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Hi again<br /><br />I'm presuming you have a firewire card in your computer. When you start IUVCR, you must have the camera already turned on. When you click the video tab, do you see your sony camcorder?<br /><br />If you have a firewire connection (ilink), the sony software may also work just fine. If not, you can download a freeware program that gets good reviews as well. web page<br /><br />Let me know on the IUvcr...then we'll go from their....
 

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Schematic,<br /><br />Yes, I connect via firewire. I turn on the sony camcorder, connect to firewire, pc detects camera, I click on iuVCR where I see the Sony DV Camcorder. But still can't make any changes as referenced before.
 

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O.K.! save whatever hair you have left and submitt...<br />this is a world wide service that will do everyhing you need.<br />i can't stress enough to let the pros do it for you sir.<br />my issue is the format you're using and the reasearch involved to provide you with accurate information would tie me up for hours...<br />go to this address it's so much easier<br />peace,<br />c.<br /> http://members.aol.com/catalinas/vhstodvd.htm
 

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Warhorse<br /><br />Give me your e-mail addres and I'll send you huffyuv.
 

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Bless you Schmatic,<br /><br />mccainmh@vodafone.es<br /><br />or <br /><br />mccainmh@navegalia.com
 
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