Gasoline quality, info!

LubeDude

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This is a copy and paste. I believe it to be reliable information.<br /><br />I've been in the petroleum hauling business for over ten years now. We haul exclusively to one customer from various oil terminals in the Virginia/North Carolina area. I've been authorized to load at over a dozen terminals in a 300 mile radius in recent years. I occasionally still drive, but my normal job is dispatching ten tanker trucks to our area stations.<br /><br />What I can tell you about "branded" gasoline is this: Sometimes it ain't what you think it is. And the additives which are put into the branded gasolines are added in such small amounts it may or may not have the advertised effects on your engine/fuel system.<br /><br />Of course the states regulate the octane advertised on the pumps, but no agency (to my knowledge) ever checks for the additives which are purported to be present in the branded gasolines.<br /><br />It then becomes possible for branded stations to sell gasoline which doesn't have the additives that the signs and commercials say that it has. This can occur when the additive injector system fails at the loading terminal, or when the terminal runs out of an additive.<br /><br />Additives in gasoline are just like additives in oil; they are "added" to the base product. All gas begins as pretty much the same stuff. Regular unlead and premium for all oil terminals in a given area comes up the same pipeline. We pull off of Colonial Pipeline in this area, and a small bit off a branch pipeline called Plantation Pipeline. When Citgo, Chevron, Conoco, Amoco, Texaco, Shell, and the rest fill their huge terminal storage tanks the gas comes off the same pipeline at pretty much the same time. There is one exception: Amoco Ultimate Premium is refined an extra step, and it comes up the pipeline all by itself. Other company's 93 octane premium fuels (I don't know anything about Sunoco fuels as they aren't distributed in my area) are the same before the additives are injected into the gasoline when it is being loaded onto the transport tanker trucks.<br /><br />There are a couple of different octanes out there for what can be called "premium" gasoline. Read the pump. If it's 92, that ain't bad. 93 is better. If it's 91 I'd definitely pass. The lower octane premiums are simply cut a bit with regular unleaded. That's also where "midgrade" or "plus" gasoline comes from; it's mixed as it goes on the tanker truck--35 percent premium and 65 percent regular in most cases.<br /><br />The quality of gasoline in the pipeline must meet certain standards, of course. This doesn't mean it will always be exactly the same, however. <br /><br />It is possible that your car will respond well to one particular company's additive. It's possible, but I think if you really tested the notion well you'd find other explanations for why your performance and/or mileage was up/down based on your choice of gasolines. I do know that Chevron's Techron works when I pour 12 ounces into my car's tank, but I don't know if the concentration of Techron in Chevron's gasoline is high enough to really do much. Think about it: If that stuff is actually worth fifty cents an ounce, and the recommended dose is about one ounce per gallon of fuel in your tank, it would run the cost of the Chevron branded gasoline up way too much to be competitive. Unless, of course, there are only trace amounts of the Techron in the branded gas, which is the case. <br /><br />When you get into unbranded gasolines you're in a "whole 'nother world." Unbranded gasoline can come from any terminal out there. It's the cheap gas of the day. This doesn't mean that the gas is no good, it simply means that if Conoco/Phillips has the best gasoline price of the day, it's a safe bet that's where your local Racetrack, Sheetz, Wilco/Hess, or fill in the blank got their fuel from.<br /><br />Most of us cannot tell any real difference between Shell branded or Chevron branded gasoline and what our local chain convienience (unbranded) stores sell. And that's not surprising since the base fuel is exactly the same stuff. Shell, Chevron, and unbranded gasolines all comes up the pipeline at the same time; it's the same stuff. Only the miniscule additive package makes it any different.<br /><br />We've all heard "Don't buy _______ gas because they put water in it." This is absurd for more reasons that I've got time to sit here and type out. But the most glaring flaw in this twisted logic is that gasoline and water don't mix. The water settles to the bottom of the tank. The sumps are set at 12 inches off the floors of oil terminal holding tanks and water checks are made daily (and required by law). It's nearly impossible for water to be loaded onto a gasoline tanker truck and subsequently delivered to the customer.<br /><br />If you do find water in a retailer's gasoline, it got there by leaking into his ground tanks. This does happen, of course. Most newer stations have Veeder-Root tank monitoring systems these days. This system will sound an alarm if water is present in the ground tank.<br /><br />So basically I just shop price for my personal gasoline. There's a chain in this area called "GO-Mart" which tends to keep the prices down. I rarely buy a full tank of gas from any branded retailer anymore. While the additives that the big gasoline retailers use are only used in very, very small amounts, they are in there. And this (along with national advertising campaigns) runs the cost of the branded gasolines up. And since I can't see any difference in my vehicles I can't justify the higher prices of the branded gasolines.<br /><br />If I could recommend purchasing gas from any retailer, I would say go to the retailer that moves the most gasoline. His tanks are probably the cleanest. His gasoline is probably the freshest off the pipeline. His ground sump and dispenser filters are going to be changed much more often. Since his business plan is obviously to sell maximum volume, he'll be meticulous in keeping filters maintained, and he'll have a fuel tank monitoring system (the Veeder-Root system mentioned earlier) which will alert him if water is ever present in his tanks.
 

mattttt25

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"petroleum hauling business for over ten years now". how much could he really know or understand?
 

Terry H

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I have to agree with you Mattttttt25...I read the first couple of paragraphs and just laughed. We appreciate the post, LD, just that there's so much bs out there, each one of us has to decide what and who we wants to listen to...just a thought :)
 

LubeDude

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Just thought it interesting, Ten years is a long time. True, we have to make up our own minds about things like this, but I have heard this for years, and beleive every word he says. Maybe Im too gullible though.
 

TwoBallScrewBall

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I have a very good friend who worked as both an independent refinery/storage terminal inspector and also worked for colonial pipeline inside a terminal. This is all right on the money. Same gas wherever you go, only differences are what is added to the mix when it's pumped off into the trucks. Wawa, Quick Check, etc, just buy the cheapest gas of the day. It does all come off the same pipeline oncec it's refined, and is distributed to the assorted terminals from the same source. For this reason I've never had any doubts about buying gas from the cheapie stations, as long as like was said, the station does a good business and moves a lot of gas.<br /><br />(PS EDIT...}<br /><br />The biggest variable is your local holding terminal and the condition of their tanks, hence the need for independent inspectors. Once it leaves the pipeline it's in the local terminal's hands, and let's say for example somehow a tank that held heating oil was not emptied properly, and was filled with 93 octane gas, it would become contaminated and that's when you ultimately run into problems with your car at the pump. Rarely ever happens, but it happens. More usually the mistake is caught before a truck ever leaves the gates with it though...
 

Terry H

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It's not that I don't believe the information in that email, it's simply the fact that I have recieved similar emails from other folks that say the same thing...it's like there's 100 10year veteran drivers out there writing similar letters. I don't know who actually writes these letters, I suspect marketing employees from the independent gasoline companies, but I can see that it works...they're doing their job well. I personally buy gasoline from stations that price their gas well, and therefore pump alot. just some random thoughts on the subject that don't add up to much :)
 

JasonJ

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It is factual, at least according to the thing I saw on the Discovery Channel about how oil is processed and what I have read (in National Geographic). Just think about it, do you really think Chevron, Exxon, and all them have their very own pipelines? Nope, its all the same pipeline, and it goes to all the substations for the individual companies. They add their additives at the substation, the truck picks it up, bring it to the gas station, and you have gas. The gas itself is not the issue when a person says a certain gas station has crappy gas, it is the storage tanks and pump system and how they are maintained at that station that are the factors. Jimbo's Gas N Serve may have nasty old tanks that are leaking water into them, whereas the Exxon down the street has well maintained tanks. I buy my gas at our Wal-Mart because it is 3 cents cheaper than any other station in my area, I have no idea where it comes from, and I do not care. The station is new, with new tanks and pumps, and my rigs run just fine on it.....
 

KM2

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I'll back JJ on this, the discovery channel has show called Modern Marvels, they did an episode on gasoline that supports much of what is in LD post. <br /><br />The jist of the story is GAS IS GAS, no matter where you buy it.
 

salty87

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not that i have any petroleum industry experience but it makes sense in my mind too. the oil companies aren't going to give us something for free....unless it costs them less. in this case, they're just selling spin. if chevron's gas, or whomever, was so good because of it's additives then how could they still compete on price?....snake oil.<br /><br />i buy from the same place 90% of the time because their gas is cheapest. they sell alot of it, cars and boats on trailers. they price their beer the same way, to move. cheapest beer around too and it's the same old budweiser the guys up the street are selling for more $.
 

kenimpzoom

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Are we Americans so gullable as to believe the hype in the commercials.<br /><br />Gas is Gas, the government has MANDATED this.<br /><br />Wouldnt you want it to be this way. After all this is the cheapest way to distribute.<br /><br />Ken
 

mscher

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Not really sure why anyone is surprised. <br /><br />Someone pumps oil out of the ground, cooks it, adds stuff to it and sell it to us at a high price, under some brand name, to burn in our vehicles. <br /><br />What next, that a $2 bottle of "mountain spring water" is not really hand dipped from a Rocky Mountain stream?<br /><br />Of course we have all seen the Walmart vs brand- name oil debates. Do die-hard Walmart customers experience a higher amount of engine wear or failure?<br /><br />Any company that is not brain-dead, wants to make money and will do what is necessary to do so, even if the mean buying from competitors.<br /><br />Selling a product that is "brand pure", regardless of what their marketing campaign says, is probably not a top priority.
 

Terry H

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I don't think that anybody is surprised that gasoline is manufactured this way. Gasoline has been manufactured this way for over a hundred years...there's been much media coverage to support these new revelations. If there's a question, it's only about the hundreds of 10 year tanker drivers that are spreading the word via chain emails. just a thought :D
 

Dunaruna

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Like most people, I take advertising with a grain of salt, IMO most is BS. I have a lot of customers asking me about the benefits of shell optimax (our absolute premium grade available in Australia, you guys got it?)<br /><br />Last Easter we took a 6000km round trip to Queensland (3L V6 Magna - no knock sensor). This was the perfect time to do my own testing. Average speed 120KPH. 3000km on regular shell unleaded - trip computer average 9 litres per 100km. 3000km return on shell optimax- 7.5 litres per 100km. It 'felt' smoother and overtaking acceleration was noticably better. I don't need to convert these figures to MPG for you to see the difference. I now run soley with optimax. My 2cents.<br /><br />Aldo
 

Twidget

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Not that I have a lot of experience in the area, but I used to work at a gas station(Way back when full serve was still around). We would get late night gas deliveries from all different 'brand' trailers.<br /><br />I more recently worked on the equipment in the offices of a local gas distributor. I asked why they had deliveries to different brand stations and was told that gas is gas. As long as a branded station purchases a certain percentage of their sale(sorry dont remember the exact number) they could keep the branding. Anything over that percentage usually was the cheap gas of the day. I was surprised to hear that, but was told thats S.O.P. in the gas business.
 

RatFish

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My friend’s uncle owns/runs a name brand gas station. He told me exactly what Twidget said above. <br /><br />It all makes sense to me. Cheap "gas of the day", sold at name brand prices, increases profits for the independent station owner.
 

dogsdad

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Originally posted by salty87:<br /> <br /><br />they price their beer the same way, to move. cheapest beer around too and it's the same old budweiser the guys up the street are selling for more $.
Gas is gas? Okay. Just no one start telling me beer is beer! :D <br /><br /><br />-dd-
 

bluewater19

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I worked for arco for 6 years at the local gas station. In the general area where I live there is a 76 refinery, a exxon refinery and a cheveron refinery.There was no ARCO refinery The drivers that delivered to my station picked up fuel at the closest refinery<br /> to where he was dumping. The arco additive is kept in a small tank on the bottom of the tanker truck and mixed in with a metering pump. I saw this with my own eyes. It was a running joke with the drivers. I would ask, so am I pumping chevron or exxon today???<br />My grandfather delivered for cheveron for 36 years. He said in the old days it wasn't like that. Now The local bay area refinerys are hooked together Via pipeline and it is not unheard of for them to sell each other gas when one company is having supply problems. It is not BS the base product is all the same. All of the brands just throw in there own additive package.
 
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