Engineers Modify Hybrid Cars To Get Up To 250 mpg

SlowlySinking

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100% solar powered electric cars with on board storage will exist WHEN the electric companies figure out how to put a meter on the sun. :)
 

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Wonder where the plug is on my OMC i/o is?
 

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Lets throw a wrench in this think shall we?<br /><br />I had a Ford Ranger that ran on E-85. This is a blend of 85% Ethanol and 15% Gasoline. <br /><br />I have said this in other posts but it bears repeating here.<br /><br />The Vehicle drove about the same on either straight Gas (regular unleaded) or E-65. I had no problems starting Hot or Cold. It actually got better milage towing the boat! Just driveing got 3 mpg less on E-85 due to being flexible fueled rather than only E-85.<br /><br />So we can use an alternate fuel but its just not popular.<br /><br />E-85 is only sold in New Mexico in (2)Two stations. The station that I can use charges .10 more a gallon the unleaded fuel! The Station in Santa Fe is actually charging the same as regular fuel.<br /><br />I wish I lived in Minnesota only becuae you can get E-85 cheaper than regular gas and can get it at a lot of places. But for me it to darn cold!<br /><br />Oh and the cost to have the E-85 option from Ford is $0.<br /><br />Nissan is also building the Titan that can use E-85 also.<br /><br />There are alternatives but we really need to use them.<br /><br />Oh and that 250 MPG is BS. You still have to pay for electricity.
 

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I think this is technology claiming 250 mpg is totaly missleading. But it does point out the possiblity that a "plug in" car can be a pratical alternative with these hybrid vehicles.<br /><br />First - simple economics. They do make plug-in chargers for the batteries that the hybirds have built into them. This guy for whatever reason is doing that the hard way by adding extra batteries. But the econimics of the situation is this: Is it cheaper ($$ wise) to plug in that car, or is it cheaper to run it from gas? Or to put it another way, can the electic company charge the battery for less money than the hybrid engine? I think you will find out that the electic company can do it cheaper. And since it's a hybrid it does not have the EV problem of limited range.<br /><br />Second - The enviornment - Is there less polution overall by plugging it in? Again - I think since the electic company is running a much larger more efficient generator than the hybrid, then the plug in option may in fact produce less polution.<br /><br />Is this the answer to all our problems: NO. The energy still has to come from somewhere. This is true of the hydrogen option as well.<br /><br />Is this a more efficent way to use the energy resources we have? maybe. Will this mean less polution? maybe.<br /><br />just my thoughts. Still can't pull a boat with it, or even power the boat yet...
 

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WHAT THEY DONT TELL YOU is how many rescue works have had to be retrained because of the different dangers of cutting into the car body to rescue people after and accident<br /><br /><br />compleatly different because of the high voltage DC circuts<br /><br /><br />tommays
 

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tommays... very good point. Crush the rear end of a vehicle with a stack of batteries, it can explode at any moment.<br /><br />I've been reading a lot on coverting a regular car to EV, about $6k to convert, but it would actually pay for itself quickly, if I have to go on a long trip, take the regular car, anything under 100 miles, take the EV with enough batteries.
 

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The power cables are buried underneath the back seat, they are orange 2-4 gauge cables, severing one would be lethal to the rescuer.<br /><br />The biggest problem in extrication are side curtain airbags where the cylinders are placed into the upright "A", "B", "C" posts of the car, cut one and "POOF".<br /><br />The batteries are a bigger problem than the cables under the back seat. In a hazardous environment (ie" gas fumes) it only takes one battery to initiate a spark and "BOOM"
 

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AZ, that is what we get for idiot proofing cars for idiots. If people paid attention to their driving, there wouldn't be accidents. There is not going to be anyway to put all the bells an whistles on a car to get great gas mileage that we all want.
 

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"There aint no such thing as an accident. They are all cases of premeditated carelessness."<br /><br /> Brother Dave Gardner
 

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Wow what strikes me about the alternative fuel/vehicle issue in the US is all the doubters poised to trash the hell out of someone elses creativity. There is a need for change here in the fuels and cars we drive and in our attitudes regarding new ideas. So what if a prototype or an experimental platform is flawed? Tinker with it, get excited about it, explore the possibilities good and bad before slamming the door on what might be the beginning of something great and presently unseen. Honda had a civic type car that used a super-capacitor and hybrid generator to develop over 500 horsepower for on-ramp type bursts and still got 60 mpg. Where could this take us? GM has a platform that has no drivetrain at all, each wheel is an electric motor controlled by a computer that directs torque based on slip, steering input, demand for acceleration etc. Light weight and simplicity make this a really cool idea to me. Sure there are negative aspects to these vehicles, but the stuff we are driving now is practically midieval, the internal combustion motor was invented in the 1860s, and it's time for us to get ahead of the rest of the world again instead of fighting over what's left of the oil.
 

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Originally posted by JB:<br /><br />Now, one of those running on 100% vegetable oils sounds like an attractive alternate vehicle.
Yup, seems very interesting!<br /><br /> Link
 

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Where are the flying cars I was promised? :mad: <br /><br />
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Yes there is plenty of oil. We have enormous amounts in reserve, it can be released by order of the President. Shale oil exist in amounts in tremendous amounts but not as PROFITABLE for the oil companies.<br /><br />We must find a better source of energy not only because of the price of gas but also for the environment.<br /><br />If the administration gave the $880,000,000 to someone other than their oil buddies for research we would be riding in much more conservative vehicles in the next 10 years. Not going to happen until the oil mongers feeding frenzy is over.
 

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I have been doing nothing but selling alternate fuel vehicles worldwide for the last 10 years. All heavy-duties, but the concepts, issues etc. are the same. I go to all of the conferences and have studied most of the alternate fuels in detail. The fact is that the only time we see any real growth in this industry is when there is an economic driver i.e. there is a payback that greatly exceeds the pains associated with the switch.<br /><br />Now, the energy and highway bills will absolutely help, but we had stopped marketing in the US because our traditional fuel is too cheap!!! In the UK, Australia etc. the combination of fuel prices and their applications result in 1 - 2 year paybacks on a heavy truck. This gets some people motivated, but not like you might think. The fact is that Gasoline and Diesel are very hard acts to follow. The first and biggest issue is that when you put gasoline or diesel in any container they basically stay there without any help. LPG, natural gas, hydrogen and electricity ALL need special tanks (batteries) to work properly and they are all less dense than oil, so they need more room on the vehicle. Ethanol, bio-diesel etc. all live on HUGE incentives that make the real prices much higher than what you see at the pump. Basically, concessions to farmers and nothing much else.<br /><br />The most important thing I can leave you with is that the only consistently less expensive and viable fuel for vehicles has been natural gas. A real pain in the arse to compress or liquefy, but it is doable. Also, the industry is starting to get a clue and is doing more “well to wheels” analyses. This takes into account the costs (economic and environmental) to get any form out of the ground (or sky, or reservoir etc.) and into a vehicle. There are even studies that compare the costs in national defense to keep the oil flowing vs. some other (maybe domestic) fuel.<br /><br />Hydrogen - the fuel of the future and it always will be . . . ;)
 

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Now this is interesting:<br /><br /> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050825/pl_nm/energy_montana_dc <br /><br />HELENA, Montana (Reuters) - Montana's governor wants to solve America's rising energy costs using a technology discovered in Germany 80 years ago that converts coal into gasoline, diesel and aviation fuel. <br /> <br />The Fischer-Tropsch technology, discovered by German researchers in 1923 and later used by the Nazis to convert coal into wartime fuels, was not economical as long as oil cost less than $30 a barrel.<br /><br />But with U.S. crude oil now hitting more than double that price, Gov. Brian Schweitzer's plan is getting more attention across the country and some analysts are taking him very seriously.<br /><br />Montana is "sitting on more energy than they have in the Middle East," Schweitzer told Reuters in an interview this week.<br /><br />"I am leading this country in this desire and demand to convert coal into gasoline, diesel and aviation fuel. We can do it in Montana for $1 per gallon," he said.<br /><br />"We can do it cheaper than importing oil from the sheiks, dictators, rats and crooks that we're bringing it from right now."<br /><br />The governor estimated the cost of producing a barrel of oil through the Fischer-Tropsch method at $32, and said that with its 120 billion tons of coal -- a little less than a third of the U.S total -- Montana could supply the entire United States with its aviation, gas and diesel fuel for 40 years without creating environmental damage.<br /><br />An entry level Fischer-Tropsch plant producing 22,000 barrels a day would cost about $1.5 billion, he said.<br /><br />The Democratic governor of this Republican state said he had met with Shell president John Hofmeister, General Electric's CEO Jeff Immelt, as well as officials from the Department of Defense, and the Burlington Northern Santa Fe Railroad to discuss his proposals.<br /><br />Schweitzer added that the recently passed federal energy bill includes an 80 percent loan guarantee for a Fischer- Tropsch plant.<br /><br />A former cattle rancher who lived for seven years in Saudi Arabia working on irrigation projects, Schweitzer is also seeking energy deals with other states, especially California.<br /><br />California "says they need 25,000 megawatts of electricity during the next ten years," he said. "We'll give you a delivered price and we'll forward contract that for the next 20 years.<br /><br />"Transmission companies from England, from Canada, from all over America are coming to my office and saying 'we'll build these transmission lines as soon as you have the contracts to build the generation."'
 

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Originally posted by lundboat:<br /> The Fischer-Tropsch technology,
This stuff is legit. As long as it can be produced competetively with diesel it will really go.
 

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interesting.. solar and wind generated 'power' converted into electricity...<br /><br />it aint that tough if'n your into that sorta thing..<br /><br /><br />think people ... think
 

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something else that may be interesting to a few of you here on a slight tangent..<br /><br />1984 ... 21 years ago Honda had a car on the market that looked something like this...<br /><br />
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<br /><br />they offered 3 models in the US (DX,HF,Si) and 3 abroad (no idea what they called 'em over there).. production only lasted 4 model years 84-87.<br /><br />**The HF had a 1342cc, sohc 8v/carberated 4cyl at 10.0:1 ..@ AN HONEST 48(city)/55(hwy)MPG depending on how you drove it.. oh it had DRUM brakes on all 4 wheels! :eek: <br /><br />its been 21yrs.. catch that?.. 21yrs hmmmm.. don't you smell that?? you thinkin' what I'm thinkin' here?.. something stinks in the petunias!!<br /><br />*EDIT*<br /><br />..... oh, the car was named the CRX....
 
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