What's in your attic?

TexomaAv8r

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After exploring my attic and sizing up the insulation I discovered what looks like about 2 inches of the roll type fiberglass insulation, some of it matted down, alot of it with signs of animals in the past over most of the house and almost mothing over the add on. So with an insulating project looming my question is:<br /><br />What's in your attic? <br /><br />what has worked, costs and labor issues with do it yourselfers, any interesting non-typical options etc...
 

heycods

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Re: What's in your attic?

Originally posted by heycods:<br /> IN my attic. An original matched set of walker colt revolvers in the orignal presentation case. <br /> I WISH<br /> Realy I have 8" of blown in insulation from 20 years ago. the stuff settles so after 5 years we had to reblow it. no problem since.
 

Ron G

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Go to lowes and buy some celose they should give you tthe blower for free when you buy so much,blow it in your attic about 6" thick and you should be good to go,and one more thing in the eves try not to fill up your vents rember the attic has to have air circulating or youll do more damage than good in the long run.
 

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Re: What's in your attic?

Lowe's also sells a thin convuluted styrofoam panel that attaches to the roof slope support rafters (is rafters the correct term) and allows the use of lots of blown in insulation without blocking the soffit vents. They attach to the rafters at the low point and work fine.
 

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I went the lowes route with celose. I bought something like 20 bags for around $100. My attic is right at 1000 sq feet and it covered all of my joist up, so there at least 6 to 8 inchs which yeilds a R-30 to 40. That might be over kill for you though, but like mention before the machine was free for a day if $100 is bought in celouse. Also if you blow it in where pants, long sleeve shirt, mask, and some goggles. It also takes two people, one to dump the bags in the machine, and one to spray it.
 

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Start at the Owens Corning website. There is an insulation calculator there based on DOE recommendations for your zip code. You do not want Owens Corning product, tho. Just go there to use the calculator to determine the R-value you will be installing. As was already mentioned the blown paper has a better insulating quality, it’s cheaper, quicker and easier to install, and has the added benefit of a bromide additive as a fire retardant (required by law) that is also fantastic at resisting pests. They don’t like it, rats/mice love fiberglass insulation.<br /><br />As was mentioned, you need to build some dams to prevent the blown insulation from interfering with the air vents. Do the same around any recessed lights you have poking up into the attic, min of 3-in away from the fixtures. If your recessed fixture are rated IC (insulation contact) you don’t have to build the dams around them, but I would. Also build a dam around your doorbell transformer if it’s in the attic.<br /><br />There is no significant diff between brands of blown paper insulation. Pass on all of the gimmicky additives, aluminum chips, etc. They just cost more than what is returned with your energy bill savings. I think the bags at Lowes are 40sq ft at R19. Good news, the only diff between R19 and R30 or R38 is how thick you pile the stuff up when you blow it in. The R-value for the thickness is not linear, i.e. R38 is not twice as thick/much as R19. New home construction is R30 in the attic, the min of what I would blow in. The DOE recommends R38 in the SF Bay Area, that’s 11.8-inches of blown.<br /><br />Disadvantages of blown insulation will be realize if you ever have to remove it. Not a practical DIY project, but doable, and really expensive to have someone do it for you. It would cost almost twice as much to remove as it does to pay someone to install it. Also, debris is the killer for blown insulations. If you will be re-roofing consider covering the blown ins with plastic, then remove the plastic and all of the roofing shrapnel on it.<br /><br />If you have hot summers and/or you use air conditioning frequently, I would consider also installing a radiant barrier under the roof before blowing the ins. It’s basically aluminum foil adhered to something (like paper or mylar) to prevent it from tearing, it reflect incoming heat back out toward the roof surface. It’s cheap and extremely effective, enough so that if a house’s ceiling framing was designed for it, radiant barrier could be used instead of rolled or blown insulation to radiate as much as 90% of the heat loss back into the home. Let us know if you need info on that stuff.<br /><br />Also, check with your utility company for rebates. PG&E (in Calif) rebates $0.15 per sq foot for ceiling insulation installs. Starting Jan 2006 the fed gvt will allow you to deduct a certain percentage of the cost of the insulation directly from the bottom line of your fed income tax, i.e. you don’t take it as a deduction from your income but rather as a straight rebate off the taxes.<br /><br />Let us know what you decide to do and maybe we can give you some how-to tips on installing it.
 

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Mine has that 2 or 3" cheap insulation up there too. At some point before I bought the place they've sprayed in another 5 or 6" on top of that. The problem I have is my floors get cold so I still have to pull my soffits out where the floor cantilevers the downstairs. I think they're just open to the joists instead of blocked and insulated. Lotsa' fun :)
 

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Thanks for the answers. I think I'll go the blow in route and add the radiant barrier idea. We do have hot summers, and lately have had some 80* winter days followed by 20* days
 

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Insulation is ITCY stuff... here's a tip - when you're done and ready to clean up, wash yourself with shaving cream.<br /><br />The lubrication in it will help the fiberglass peices slide out of your skin and stop the itching.
 

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Originally posted by jsfinn:<br /> Insulation is ITCY stuff... here's a tip - when you're done and ready to clean up, wash yourself with shaving cream.<br /><br />The lubrication in it will help the fiberglass peices slide out of your skin and stop the itching.
Excellent tip. almost makes me want to get some on me to see of it works!
 

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Good tip, jsfinn. I would not remove the existing insulation. I'd pretend it isn't even there and blow the paper stuff right over the top of it. You'll be fine with a long sleeve t-shirt. You also need googles and a mask. Get them when/where you get the insultaion. I suggest a wood working mask (i.e. 3M mask # R8511ES) from the paint dept. It's good for fiberglass, pollen, and the dust up there in the attic. Go ahead an toss out a couple extra bucks for the vented googles because you will be up there awhile and they will fog up on you without vents.
 

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And one more thing when your buddy is feeding the hoppers and you need to stop blowing put your hand over the nossel and it'll make a backing up sound so your partner will stop feeding the insulation,better yet try to get the one with the remote.
 

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Texoma,<br />General rule of thumb is to have about 10-12" of insulation. I would advise having an insulation company do the work. It will take them no time to do it an in most cases they can do the complete job for around what it would cost you for the material , if you did it your self. For an example ,the last house that my company built, it was about $5,000 to insulate- R-30ceilings, r-19walls, r-11 all interior walls r-13 basement, and this was around a 3,000sq.ft. house.
 

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When I shopped contractors for installation of insulation, there was a big diff in prices for the same materials and work. As I mentioned above, there is virtually no diff in the insulating properties of any of the blown paper insulations. There can be big diffs in the ‘extras’ you get mixed in with the paper…and thus big diffs in the prices.<br /><br />When I was getting quotes, I told all of the contractors I needed the names for the manf and the product they would be blowing in, and I needed a copy of the installation spec for the product. Some contractors had a problem with that, some didn’t. All asked why, I told them how else am I going to know I got what I am paying for and how else am I going to know it was installed correctly. Only those contractors that said it wasn’t a problem were considered. The cost for me to DIY R38 blown insulation was less than $800. The best I could do with an insulation contractor was $1600+ for the same thing. That diff is equal to a small ob for the dingy in 2006.<br /> :) <br /><br />I think you should definitely shop the project with the pros. Maybe in your area the diff isn’t as much and it’s not worth your time to DIY. But also be aware there is a lot of ripping off going on with contractors that install insulation. To know if blown insulation is done properly you need to (a) probe the depth of the install, and (b) plug it and weigh the plug to see if you have the proper amount of material blown per sq/ft.
 

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Place colored tape around random rafter support braces at the depth you want the insulation as a guide/visual depth guage.
 

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I heard to take a COLD shower to wash off the fiberglas fibers...keeps the pores closed
 

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You should have soffit vents or gable vents, ... or both. If you have soffit vents (they are under the eaves) then be sure they are unobstructed, as others have mentioned. If you have gable vents only, then don't worry about it.<br /><br />Either blown in or rolls of the pink stuff. If you have lots of plumbing, wires, and trusses to compete with, I would probably blow it in rather than wrestle the pink stuff around up there.<br /><br />Go deep, as deep as you can, and figure out where the animals are coming from and get rid of them. Be sure your trees don't touch your roof/eaves, only use traps if you are willing to go up and check them regularly.<br /><br />Good luck.
 

TexomaAv8r

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Thanks for all the tips. I think I have solved the animla problem with some repairs. Havnt heard the patter of little feet in my attic in weeks. I will shop the pros too, my mother lives in a different county and recieved some kind of electric company deal for insulating her house that has almost paid for itself so I want to investigate that too.<br /><br />I finaly extracted all the puppies from the crawal space. One had crept out on her own but really shouldnt have been stumbling through the grass yet. The others have gotten more active and I was able to get all 3 finaly. I keep them accessible to their mother who is still very wild while also keeping them safe and out from under my house.
 
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