Montauk vs Trophy 1703

rbruce63

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Hi, I've been boating for a couple of years in a Boston Whaler Sport 11 dingy powered with a Chrysler 20 outboard from 1969. I've been happy with my set up however, I feel that venturing into the river bars is quite challenging not the least to say dangerous. Towing this boat with my GMC Jimmy is a breeze, however, our roads are narrow, filled with potholes and hard on the towing vehicle transmission. There are now boat ramps nor marinas, in fact we are in the third world when it comes to boating. <br /><br />I've been a Whaler fan since I was a kid when my father had a tri-hull that I believed was a Boston Whaler. The motor was the only thing left of these early ages. I was a curious kid and decided to pour oil into the carburetor and spark plugs of the motor, perhaps this saved it from seizing also it was kept inside.<br /><br /> My father had a cottage close to the river mouth of the Tarcoles river, the second largest river that drains the Central valley where the capital city of San José is located. In the 1970's the place was mystical albeit remote. We had to cross the river in a wire pulled barge. There where no paved roads, the river changed its course and destroyed the property of many of the residents of this paradise. Fishing was unbelievable. We eat Corvina (sea bass or rooster fish) every weekend. My father took us every single weekend and he had to change cars every couple of years because they were destroyed! My father is still with us and remembers these day's with fondness and a couple of tears fall from his eyes! I would like my son to have this outdoor experience also.<br /><br />My father had no trailer and boating was dangerous. The cottage and boat where sold but the motor stayed in our garage until three years ago that I rescued it and found a Boston Whaler boat which had a max rated horsepower of 20 Hp. Yes a boat for my Chrysler 20! That the boat needed to be rebuilt was no problem, I found the boat and I had to put some money aside and slowly make the restoration... We'll to make a long story short, I've used the boat in rivers, crossed the border with Nicaragua through the San Juan river and ventured in their territory, with permission of course and in our artificial lakes that are dangerous to say the least and continually claim lifes of the unexperienced. Lately my brother and I ventured into the Caribbean to do some Snook fishing but jumped three Tarpon. The outlet was very calm and fishing was thrilling. The Tarpon that we jumped where bigger than our boat.<br /><br />I have been looking into a Boston Whaler Montauk 17 or 170 of recent vintage with a two stroke Mercury 90, not my favorite motor (Evinrude E-Tec) but a good an proven motor with a good dealership and made in America, however the Trophy 1703 has caught my eye and also comes with the same motorization. The package is expensive ($25 thousand for both makes of boats), however, it can be financed and I have some savings that might put in a back to back loan to get into the water with a more sea worthy boat. I will have to sell my dingy and to justify this extravagance with my wife is going to be the toughest part.<br /><br />How is fishing with a 1703? How fuel efficient it is? What HP do you have and would you rather have more power? How good is the live well? Do you have raw water washdown included? Do you prefer the bimini top or the T top. Have any of you encountered rough sees and how did the boat fared? How far have you towed the boat?<br /><br />Many questions and I look forward for your insight!<br /><br />Regards,<br /><br />RBruce
 

cddetelich

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Re: Montauk vs Trophy 1703

If i had a choice I would buy the Boston Whaler. The Whaler, as you know, will last forever and is good in all kinds of weather/conditions. the Trophy is, I believe, a good boat to introduce into boating, but they do not have the best reputation for quality/longevity.
 

rbruce63

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Re: Montauk vs Trophy 1703

Yes, I like the Boston Whaler too. Some one at another forum said its like comparing Cadillac with Chevrolet. Well Chevy's aren't that bad. <br /><br />It seems that Bayliner has been investing in public relations with glossy brochures and testimonials about the boat's usage, construction methods and about the people that use these boats, perhaps to detach from this bad reputation that has plagued Bayliner and no longer attach the name to their Trophy boats.<br /><br />The construction methods seem up to date. The fiberglass stringer system seems to be on par with what the other boat manufacturers are using. All boats have to have flotation aids as per the USCG and this is not a monopoly of Boston Whaler which is also owned by Brunswick. <br /><br />The problem with Boston Whaler is that their dealer will not provide a good price and there is no financing available. I will try to find financing with a commercial bank just out of curiosity.<br /><br />Regards,<br /><br />RBruce
 

peterc38

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Re: Montauk vs Trophy 1703

Not knocking trophy but in my opinion, the Whaler is a much nicer boat. Much better fit, finish and workmanship. They are not the same price here though (talking brand new), The Whaler Montauk is about $22,000 and the Trophy 1703 can be had for about $17,500 with the 90 HP 2 stroke Mercury. If you are getting them for the same price, go with the Whaler. Tough to beat the reasale value of a Whaler too.
 

JB

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I would vote for a 80s or 90s Montauk 17 over the Montauk 170. <br /><br />That is a "classic" vs. "modern" decision. The difference to me is that the classic Montauk is a Dougherty design. It stayed in production, essentially unchanged, for 28 years. It was only discontinued to make room for the bigger, heavier, cheaper to build, softer riding 170. I object to calling the 170 a Montauk.<br /><br />I also object to the "Merc only" policy in selling new Whalers. My Suzuki DF70 powered '80 Montauk would stay with my son's Merc 90 powered 2000 Montauk 17 all day and use about 60% as much fuel. Ryan T now has my beloved Sunshine III and can testify to her performance and quality.<br /><br />If you like, and are willing to maintain, mahogany, an early 80s Montauk is a wonderful, versatile boat unexcelled in a small center console. If you want all fiberglass, the later version would suit you.<br /><br />Good luck. :)
 

crazy charlie

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Re: Montauk vs Trophy 1703

Boston Whaler hands down no brainer.What I like better than both is a Mako.Charlie
 

Captn Dave

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Re: Montauk vs Trophy 1703

Boston Whaler will have a better resale value.<br /><br />I'm with JB. Go with one of the older Montauk's.
 

11 footer

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Re: Montauk vs Trophy 1703

An older Montauk is not only a better boat, but a better investment as well.<br /><br />A 1980's whaler really won't go down in value
 

rbruce63

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Re: Montauk vs Trophy 1703

I agree with JB et al. I will have to think about it. Indeed I like the hull design of the smirked Whaler 17'! It is similar to what I have now except fot the LOA of course!<br /><br />What about the live well and internal 37 gallon tank of the Trophy? <br /><br />Peter in Maine, both boats cost the same but the Whaler is sold here without any package nor motor. This opens the question for JB about having other motorizations, my favourite the E-Tec, but is hard then to compete dollar to dollar with the Trophy 1703 cc.<br /><br />Thanks for your candor!<br /><br />RBruce
 

rbruce63

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Re: Montauk vs Trophy 1703

JB:<br /><br />Is the classic design called also smirked and did it last until 1999 before the 170 was introduced?<br /><br />Regards,<br /><br />RBruce
 

11 footer

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Re: Montauk vs Trophy 1703

Smerked was from '76-'77 and was unchanged untill the 170 was introduced.
 

JB

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The Dougherty 17' (smirked) hull was introduced in 1973 to replace the original Fisher design. It was used in a variety of models, the Montauk being the "top" of the line. I believe that my son bought one of the last of them in 2000.<br /><br />The "smirk" also appeared on the other hulls designed by Dougherty.<br /><br />The Dougherty touch is easy to recognise in modern Edgewater hulls
 

deeep water

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Re: Montauk vs Trophy 1703

i just got on this web and have found the info great ,,i have a 1989 17 montauk,, and have seen up close and personel wat it will take in punishment,, i put 4' of water over my bow rail once and it wasent by choice,, im glad i was in a whaler,,,how do you post pics in this web
 

JB

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Go to the Non-boating Tech forum, then search for "posting pics". There are several very detailed posts there explaining how to post pics.<br /><br />Good luck, deeep water, and welcome to iboats. :)
 

jaymayne

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Re: Montauk vs Trophy 1703

My recommendation: Go with the Boston Whaler Montauk. <br /><br />Montauks are great boats. They can be a bumpy ride in big, choppy water, but they are virtually unsinkable, well-designed and cool-looking. <br /><br />Some Montauk owners claim to take them 10-15 miles offshore (not for me) because they have so much confidence in their boats. <br /><br />Also, if such things matter to you, Boston Whalers, including Montauks, routinely generate respect among most boaters.<br /><br />Trophy boats are better built in recent years, according to various boat forums. I have looked at a few up close and do like the newer ones.<br /><br />Still, if you can afford the Whaler, I say go for it.
 

deeep water

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Re: Montauk vs Trophy 1703

hey bebop2 the offshore thing is true,,,i dont think im crazy,, i realy check the weather and offshore reports cause i dont like it rough,, any of you remember the old old old delaware lightship ,,,thats where i started my fishing from ,,, it was on the jackspot and the lumps and the hotdog ,,,ive been to the pooremans ,58mil,,,its so awsome out there if you cant trust your boat than you have been bad to it ,,i trust my boat 17 montauk 1988 john 88spl all new in 88,,3 sets of plugs 1 waterpump,4 sets of batteries,carbs rebuilt once ,,i dont mess with it but i keep it clean and lubed,i treat it like my life depended on it if the moter quiets ill sail her in using my outriggers and parachute cover,,the USA is always west :D
 
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