Son in Law & his depression drugs

SS MAYFLOAT

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I think I have figured out why my SIL cannot hold a job. He is on several phsyc drugs to keep him calm. He has been on some type of these drugs for the last 6 years. My daughter insists that he take these meds because he has a bad temper.

I can understand his temper and he has have every right to be mad. 32 years old and doesn't have anything. They have gone through bankruptcy, bills never get paid, and owes everyone money. Why? because neither of them want to work.

Daughter is a beautician, but she doesn't like to do hair anymore. SHe is going to school for nursing. But however I don't see her as a compassionate person for that job. She does miss a lot of school, but somehow passes her courses. She does not want to work.

With that said about my daughter, it is one of the reasons that I can understand why my SIL is in a zombie state of mind most of the time.

I came to the conclusion that the drugs are interferring with his ability to work. His thought process is broken and doesn't have the ability to understand simple tasks.

Here is an example. In the past I have always told him when jumping a vehicle that is is important that the assisting vehicle be turned off as not to destroy the charging system. Yesterday, my diesel needed a jump. We let the assisting vehicle charge for awhile. Then I said it is ready, "Shut off your engine". He unhooks the cables and looks at me dumbfounded. I had to re-inform him to hook the cables back up and to shut off his engine. He still looked dazed and confused. I explained to him for the umpteenth time about the process. This is not the only thing that has told me that his meds is destroying his thought process.

He helped me do some things to the boat yesterday as well. I had him put a hose on a barbed fitting. He struggled with it for 30 minuets and finally he said he couldn't get the hose onto the barbed fitting. Uh,,,,,,buddy, you gotta loosen the hose clamp first on the hose, slide it on, then tighten down. Don't tighten the hose clamp first and try to put it on.

It is the stupid simple things he cannot process. With me witnessing his work ability, I can understand why he cannot keep a job. It seems when he comes over to help me on the boat, I get more done without his help because I don't have to recheck the things that he did. Most of the time, I have to correct something or replace something he broke.

Sorry for making this long, I just don't know what can be done. For what income that they do have coming in, about 25% of it is for counseling and the meds. The ones that are really affected is my grandsons.

With his lack of gumption to work, he has become overweight and now has diabetes as well. When they lived in my house for 3 years, he dropped 80 pounds trying to keep up with me doing stuff around the property. Since then, he has put about 120 pounds back on.

Am I right on blaming it on the drugs? or should I just say that he does not want to work at all?
 

Tyme2fish

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Re: Son in Law & his depression drugs

It sounds to me like his problem started way before anti-depressants were started. Do the words LAZY BUM ring a bell? Sorry, but some people just want everything given to them with no effort on their part.
Too bad, because your grandkids will suffer for this lack of effort as you already know.
PS. I take an anti-depressant myself and it has shortened my work week to 80 hours!!!
 

Ron G

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T2F has a point.and as for sil she better stick with hair nursing sounds good but its hard work,and for BIL sounds like he's a doppy been there with other family members and inlaws .sounds like a perscription drug problem.
 

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Antidepressents are not causing the problem. This guy must be on dope.
 

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Re: Son in Law & his depression drugs

We all have been through the same gaunlet one way or another but after living a full life and looking back i can say that it's a persons basic core make-up so to speak. My wife and I raised four children ,many problems along the way but the oldest son (45) electrical engineering degree ,2nd son in refrigeration ,oldest daughter rn nurse.Now for the youngest daughter 35 still at home ,and has been a living nightmare for us .She is intelligent (in a way that is) and draws men like flies on cow manure and uses them, but will not hold a eight hour job.Kick her out you say , I throw her clothes out the front door and she changes clothes there and yes drugs are involved .She does yard sales at the (boy friends houses) with dumpster diving items and whatever he is willing to be talked out of and then off and running again. Now for where did she get her start and i want all you young fathers to listen up and I was too busy and too dumb as a young father that understood the game. At the age of 15 she was solicited by the local police narcotics department to work for them (she got caught with a joint a student gave her) it was kept from me but I knew she had police friends .We lived close to a international airport that many drugs were involved and she loved the excitement of drawing them in (sure she was wired) .When it finally sunk in what was going on I went to the mayor and he told me he has nothing to do with the narcodics department. I had no control over her at a young age, and at the age of thirteen we sent her to a school in the mountains for girls but that only lasted for six months.Bottom line is a person is going to do what they want to do and nobody is going to change them. So pop have patience but beware, as it's hard to raise a kid now days as the wife has a lawyer in her back pocket and the judiciary ready to leap on your back if you make a mistake.
 

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Re: Son in Law & his depression drugs

Sounds like junkies. You will probably have to take your grandsons out of that environment before its too late for them. Sorry
 

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Re: Son in Law & his depression drugs

I sympathise with your situation, SS, and those others reported here.

Two thoughts;

One. When my first child was born I got a note from my Dad. Among other things and advice he told me this. "Do what you think is right. Love her always, but remember this: You can't do enough things wrong to make a good person turn out bad or enough things right to make a bad person turn out good."

Two. Mental and emotional disorders are invisible but they change behavior and thinking. Most of them are treated with chemicals that further change behavior and thinking. What you see is not the true person. That true person is so disabled that what you see is a zombie by comparison. Worse yet, persons who take the wrong chemicals are similarly altered, too often permanently.

I am sure that some of the cases described above are just plain worthless people, but I also think that some are simply sick people.

Having suffered from bipolar disorder for most of my young adulthood I can tell you it is no fun and that the worst part of it is people who view you as a weak or worthless when all you are is sick. The drugs do not make you well or cure the problem. They only lessen the pain.
 

SS MAYFLOAT

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JB, you pretty well got it pegged. Back before my SIL got on these meds, he was able to function. Had a good work record, and was a great worker. He could tear things apart and put them back together without any problems. He has been on Lithium for about the last 3 years along with two others.

When I was having teen problems with my son Carl, I saw how those drugs made him zombiefied. BTW, Carls getting his stuff together finally. He still hasn't gained the trust of his step mom yet though. But then I don't blame her. He has been off those drugs now for the last year. Seems to be the good kid that I knew before his teen resistance to adults. Now that he is no longer a teen, he knows his actions were wrong and making amends.

As for those that say he is on other dope than what is prescribed, I don't think so. There is not enough income to support that kind of habit. Between him and his wife, the money they spend on thier meds is one reason they never have money to pay their bills. My daughter/his wife is the one that is on the pain meds.

As for their care for the kids, I can't complain about it. They do take care of them. Well fed, clothed, and each one is gets no less than B's in school. They will get the needed things for the kids before paying the bills. Only fault I see with that is that they tend to buy higher priced items they really can't afford. They do know that mom and dad is sedated and is hard to make mad. So they do get by being brats except at my house. They know us grandparents don't put up with trouble.
 

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I agree also I posted about my wifes problems before. The drugs keep them calm and that's it........I wish I could have my old wife personallity back.......SS Mayfloat it's hard on the entire family I've been dealing with it for 12 years........Take It.....One Day At A Time...It's the only way you will keep your sanity
 

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SS,

Not easy to say. But usually the drugs don't affect your ability to think maybe just a lapse in speed on your response time. Like 1/2 a second slower. Depression is fluid and if there are good and bad days then it may be, but if he is just lazy it tends to be more of a consistant lifestyle kind of thing.

Also depression longs for isolation. If he finds himself looking for places to be alone, then that also sounds like depression. Not being able to connect a hose to a barb fitting isn't something caused by the medication unless his is self perscribing. The drugs can only level your mood not really change it. It is up to the individual to make lifestyle changes with the assistance of the drugs for prolonged satisfaction.

I don't know near enough but what you are describing isn't really depression it is something else. Depression is something that hangs over a person like a cloud. Like the old Nike commercial, a body in motion tends to stay in motion, a body reclined tends to stay reclined.

Don't know if this helps, but good luck. Depression is nothing to take lightly. Neither is laziness. But what can cure someone of laziness is something that can be catestrophic to someone suffering depression. Just be careful. I would have him take a drug test if he is living in your home.
 

SS MAYFLOAT

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Thats the thing Pointer, he seeks work through one of those labor services that finds work for him. They require a DT everytime he applies for a position. Each time he is clean. Maybe if he had the right combination of scripts to deal with his problem it would be different. His counselor has said he is bipolar, derpressed, dislexic, and now the Impulsive Explosive Disorder.

My wife has said that when his surgar gets low he is goofy acting, then when his surgar is high (which is most of the time) he has outbreaks of anger. He does control himself around the kids. Never has there been any signs of child abuse.

Some of the other things that he helped me with is putting on nuts for the bell housing to gimbal. There are 8 of them. Took him 45 minuets to get them tightened using a wrench. He helped me 5 years ago and did the exact same thing and same way when we put a new engine in. It took him about 5 minuets then. He gets disorented and confused. I did ask him about half way through what was taking him so long. His answer, "Oh I get it down so far and stop and then forget which way to turn the nut back on." Ahhhhh maybe my idea of using a rachet wasn't a good one?

Here's another, Hey son, can you remove the dock sticker from last year? Sure no problem,,,,,,,,,,,,he removed the sticker alright,,,,,,,,,,,including the stickers for the name of the boat!

I just don't understand it. He seems to be willing to bust his butt and do things, but he gets the stuff wrong or doesn't finish it. Seems to be progressing with time.
 

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He may have had a stroke. Sounds like brain damage.
 

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SS, I would suggest you do a
Google on the phrase "lithium in diabetics." I think you'll see some of the same things you're seeing in your SIL - disinclination to activity, weight gain, diabetes, confusion, etc. Your post got me thinking about a guy I knew some years ago.

It's easy to say the guy is just useless, but it might be worth looking a little deeper. I have a sister who is bipolar who has caused us a lot of heartache and anxiety over the last 25 years or so. Years ago she refused to take lithium anymore because it doped her out so bad.
 

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The answer may be a simple one.... my wife works with people who are on all sorts of drugs to function from day to day. She is a case manager. The solution could be a new Doctor with a fresh look and a balanced adjustment of the medications. Each person has a personal level....not enough or too much = non-functional. With the proper balance you might discover a new SIL.

It is obvious from your writing that you are frustrated by the situation and the other point is that that young man needs better care.
 

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I believe I would have the Doc check his meds ,might be a time for a change.
 

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Back during all my heart problems they put me on anti depresants. It was terrible for me. I was a zombie and knew it. I threw the damx things away and pulled my head outa my xxx and things went back to normal, or as normal as it is ever gona be. I live life 1 day at a time and enjoy it.
Sounds like a withdrawal is in order for them, not saying that they may not have to have some sort of drug, but they sure need reevaluating.
LMHO
 

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Lithium!!??:^

I thought that went out with pink izods! One of my closest long-term friends was diagnosed as bipolar, and there was no doubt he was indeed. Back in the late eighties he was first given lithium, the effect was staggering. He is an extremely intelligent creative person, he soon became dull and lifeless with no desire to do anything. He stopped taking the lithium and the bipolar symptoms returned; later he was given welbutrin and the side-effects were slighter, but there nonetheless. He has since gone through several treatments, all have side-effects, I think he has just come to a compromise as to which coctail of meds allows him to still function without "slipping too far into the blackness"

As for your daughter, try to encourage her to exercise, (your SIL as well) it is amazing what strengthening your body can do for pain-management. Pain killers only mask pain, not cure it; can certainly remove personality in a big hurry.
 

SS MAYFLOAT

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Thanks again for the reposnes. Before he was on Lithium, he was on prozac and was on the welbutrin for awhile. With those he was just about the same.

Yesterday an old friend of mine stopped by. He said my SIL stopped in and applied for a job. They spent several hours together about employment. My SIL had worked for him about 3 years ago. My friend asked me what was wrong with him. Said he doesn't seem like the same guy he knew back then.

Its sad when someone that hasn't been around someone for awhile can tell a difference in attitude and personality. My friend said that there is no way that he would hire him while in this condition.

I'm going to try to have a talk with my daughter about his meds and how its keeping him from being a productive husband. She is going to have to learn what not to do around the house that makes him mad. Presently she wears the pants and has a need to be the controlling one. That would be fine if she did the job right, but she would rather squander the money than pay bills. Like I said before that there are many things that go on in his family that he has every right to be mad and angry. She keeps him on them so that she can stay in control without regards to his health and feelings.

I'm just worried and concerned, hate to see a good man beat down because of the attitude of another. It just aint right.
 

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SS,They put me on Zoloft a couple years ago.
I felt run down,couldn't function and was a whole different person.I took myself off of them after a few months and felt normal again.
I think these meds affect everyone different.
He needs a new doc and a new perspective.They may be able to change some meds and he could return to normal..
I wish them all the luck! I feel for you and the family!
 
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