Kentucky Plane crash

[jtexas]

Re: Kentucky Plane crash

There have been airline fatalities since 911 and they moved through the settlement process same as pre-911 accidents.

 

[rodbolt]

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yep, both the pilots and the traffic controlers were at fault.
the ultimate responsibility of a craft is the captains, however thats why the FAA has towers.
on the ground its a tower responsibilty as well.

who will pay is a matter that will drag on for years and only the lawyers will get rich,on all sides.

after 9/11 a lot of people may have gotten rich but more did not based on our fearless presidents statement about it was an act of war,
check your life insurance policy for that tiny sentance, not covered by an act of war whether declared or undeclared.
once the president uttered that statement most insurance companies were off the hook.
while it sounded good it hurt a lot of poor folks.

 

[walleyehed]

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I don't know that anyone but the 2 up front will ever know what reallyhappened, but let me give ya some detail as to what the pilot and first officer see in the cockpit...#1, this jet has what we call an entire glass cockpit..instruments are all digital on a screen...there is no whiskey compass, although there is a flight director with quite an accurate display of their position at all times, including the direction the aircraft is pointed.
The capabilities of these aircraft require no external lighting or pilot input when set-up for 0-0 take-off (IFR)
The problem lies in the fact it was not set-up for short-field T.O.
This A/C at max gross T.O. weight is capable of take-off in less than 3000ft. Brakes set and 85% power, brake release, then within a second or so, 100% torque or max temp, whichever comes first...at night max torque comes first.
When the controller said to Taxi into take-off position and hold came, they were basically in the same location for immediate access to either runway. I don't think any mechanical means was chosen for take off, because if they had punched in 26, the throttles (electrically) would not have came to full power on the heading they chose.
simply put, they chose to hand-fly the aircraft-not unusual at all, and with 2 landing lights on the nose gear assembly, the center (huge) white stripes are all they need for guidance. With high-intensity runway lights in the controllers view, I don't think he would have seen the accelerating aircraft until it was too late.
Without a doubt, pilot error, and I think the airline will be the responsible party.

 

[DJ]

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Walleye,
.
You just nailed it.

There is SO much stuff that no human can completely master all of it. Lawsuits/lawyers have seen to it that we have default systems that are mind boggling. We left out the human factor-long ago.

Why can't we just resolve ourselves that this was a collection of tragic mistakes. NOPE-in our society, somebody has to PAY.

That's pathetic. I'm surprised the family lawyers aren't on TV yet.

 

[rodbolt]

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human errors will always occur, would it have mattered that two contolers were in the tower in this case? no one will really know.
but it does seem that a simple data interface could prevent this type of incident.
the controler types in the flight information and the transponder looks for the correct aircraft on the correct runway and alerts both the pilot and ATC if there is a conflict.
this is not the first crash in modern aviation due to the wrong runway being used for takeoff or landing.
but I do forsee a new beemer in a few lawyers driveways.

 

[PW2]

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As an old pilot friend of mine used to tell me...

"There are old pilots,
and there are bold pilots.
There are no old, bold pilots."

There may well be a combination of circumstances, but the pilot is ultimately responsible for this tragedy.

 

[jtexas]

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djohns with regard to "somebody has to PAY." I totally get your cynicism and agree with it in general especially the part about the lawyers, but from the airline's perspective, we take your money, we understand our responsibility to deliver you safely, and if we fail in that, well, we pay.

Good, bad, or indifferent, money is how we measure things in our society, including the value of life, and in my experience, they vary widely with the average one being worth $2 million. That's apart from any mental anguish and/or pain and suffering. Those are the real unknowns.

 

[rodbolt]

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no matter how you slice this one its truly tragic. seems one small error did not get caught by the 3 most responsible and escalated from there.

I do send my prayers out to all involved.

 

[SpinnerBait_Nut]

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Let's quite the blame trail.
There are 49 lost souls and the only survivor(sp) is the one that had control when it happened.
If he survives, how do you think he will feel?

Another sour twist to this.
The little plane from Texas that crashed in Jackson, Ky. the next day were all 7 family members coming to Hazard for a reunion.
There was another member of the family on the Delta flight, but don't know who it was yet.

All the blaming in the world will not bring these people back.
Maybe learn from the mistake that they made and hope it don't happen again.