The Popes point

[Plainsman]

Re: The Popes point

What Muslims objected to was the implication that they use violence to spread their religion.

I'd of objected if he said that about Methodists.

Crunch, you may quote me on this:
We Christians have no violent nature.

What about you, do you have a violent nature?

But would you roit in the streets and burn the Pope in effigy if he had said that about Methodists?

 

[jtexas]

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Of course we Methodists wouldn't, but I can't speak for the Baptists.

Anyway in America we only riot in the streets over sporting events and celebrity murder trials. Certainly not anything so trivial as religion.

 

[crunch]

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Tex, In the present day, not 700-1000 years ago, do the Methodists, Baptist, Catholics, ect. have a violent nature? Do they go on JIHAD?, Commit terrorist acts, killing indiscriminately?

Define violent nature. (your definition of course)

Bingo, you got my point. Acts of violence are committed in the name of Christianity. But don't paint all Christians with the same brush.

No, I think you missed my point.... and didn't answer the question.

 

[jtexas]

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yes, some Christians do have a violent nature.

December 8, 2004 http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6682743/
April 16, 2006 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11072375/
May 30, 2006 http://msnbc.msn.com/id/13052412/
February 23, 2006 http://www.virtueonline.org/portal/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3655
http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/content/news_syndication/article_060223nigeria.shtml

 

[Nos4r2]

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We Christians have no violent nature.

What about you, do you have a violent nature?

Go to Belfast,NI marry the wrong denomination woman and move to the Shankill road .You'll be proved wrong...

 

[12Footer]

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typical of erikems. heck I even referced a time period, last I looked WWII was no wher near the timeline of the crusades.
typical rigt wing blah blah blah.
just put anoter nickname in theidiot dont matter colum.
if ya wish to disscuss historical fact at least get the decade right.

only problem I have seen with Erikims fact is its all based on FOX news and hanity and colmes not much from any govt websites like the IG reports or the pentagon reports to congress.

the nice thing about semi retirement is the time I have to actually negotiate the convoluted govt websites. the info is there it just takes a bit to find it.
when ya find it copy it, sometimes soon after its published the website goes offline.

Alrighty then.. CLICK HERE for Al Jazeeeeeeera's take.on the incident, rodbolt.
I wonder why these mutants are up in arms over something the Pope said, at the same time they see no problem with beheading people.
There is something out of baance here, and if you cannot see that for yourself, I'll help you as mich as I can.

 

[12Footer]

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yes, some Christians do have a violent nature.

December 8, 2004 http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6682743/
April 16, 2006 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11072375/
May 30, 2006 http://msnbc.msn.com/id/13052412/
February 23, 2006 http://www.virtueonline.org/portal/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3655
http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/content/news_syndication/article_060223nigeria.shtml

Two of the five links are the same story, different sources.
Four of the five links are defensive or retaliatrory --- which IMHO, would be a matter of survival as regards to religious persecution.

The other has to do with gays on a rampage...Not much part of any church I know of, outside of splinter-sects that cater to.gays who happen to believe in God, but not the word of God. On this one; whatever ,TX. But it don't have much to do with the thread's topic (muslim/christian violence).

I think many free people have the twisted idea that everyone else is free to worship too. They burn down a church in Georgia, and God help you if they catch you... somehow, the ACLU slipped-up, and got that practice covered under "hate-crime" laws, which are a tad stiffer than arson..Surely, had they only known, they would've maybe ignored these arsonists.

These free people have no clue of, or choose to ignore foriegn religious persecution genocide, beheading in the name of a higher power. I think they asume Mocmuud's ol lady is treated the same as everyone else's ol lady.... Yet not a PEEP about male-cheuvanism from the promoters of same here in a free country.
wierd.
You go, Pope!

 

[tommays]

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I think the pope would have much better results calling upon religious leaders of the world to meet and work towards accepting each other and living in peace

It says the same thing and is difficult to find fault with

Tommays

 

[puddle jumper]

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I think the pope would have much better results calling upon religious leaders of the world to meet and work towards accepting each other and living in peace

It says the same thing and is difficult to find fault with

Tommays

Tommy the Dalilama would be a better choice i think.Definetly one person on this planet that does more thinking of peace with out harming others.
I think your onto somthing here.
Cool o

 

[POINTER94]

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12footer,

I too checked the links and you are right, not on point and hardly respective of any mainstream or even diverse christian belief. Now I agree some of the offenders were 12 years old, but lets check the legal policies here in the states to see how rediculous that statement really is. Add in the fact that the pope oversee's not all catholics but those who subscribe to the holy roman catholic church. But who cares about who the pope oversee's they used the word catholic. There is no way you could even try to tie them to the popes statements. But a reporter did use the word christian.

Nice lookin post though I have to say. Just not on point.

 

[jtexas]

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"respective of any mainstream " -- mainstream schmainstream.


"defensive or retaliatrory " -- as Jesus Christ (the guy who put the "Christ" in "Christian") says, "love one another, unless you want to retaliate."

 

[Plainsman]

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"respective of any mainstream " -- mainstream schmainstream.


"defensive or retaliatrory " -- as Jesus Christ (the guy who put the "Christ" in "Christian") says, "love one another, unless you want to retaliate."

Please enlighten me as to where to find that Quote from Christ

 

[Haut Medoc]

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Ther are no "quotes", it is all "hearsay"!.....JK

 

[PW2]

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I would argue to the extent civilization has evolved over the last 700 years, it has been in spite of religion (any religion) and not because of it.

Civilized societies are civilized because of adherence to the rule of law, and not the rule of some religious leader.

 

[12Footer]

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I would argue to the extent civilization has evolved over the last 700 years, it has been in spite of religion (any religion) and not because of it.

Civilized societies are civilized because of adherence to the rule of law, and not the rule of some religious leader.

"Rule of law"? You mean the rule of law based-upon civilized behaviour? Peacefull coexistance?
Do you mean these rules?;



God's Ten Commandments
EXODUS 20:3-17 NKJ

ONE

3 "You shall have no other gods before Me.

TWO

4 "You shall not make for yourself any carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth;
5 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me,
6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

THREE

7 "You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.

FOUR

8 "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work,
10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daugh-
ter, nor your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates.
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.


FIVE

12 "Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.

SIX

13 "You shall not murder.

SEVEN

14 "You shall not commit adultery.

EIGHT

15 "You shall not steal.

NINE

16 "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

TEN

17 "You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's."

 

[POINTER94]

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I have been going to catholic services for over 40 years. I have yet to once hear a priest say we should kill. insult, embarrass, cajole, needle, detain, extort, torture, suicide bomb, blow up, invade, or otherwise harrass anyone of any other religion.

I have been told to forgive, love your enemy, spread peace, share, donate, sacrifice for others regardless of religion, heal the sick, comfort the weary, help the helpless.......

Am I just attending the wrong church's? :/

 

[Haut Medoc]

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Yes!

 

[12Footer]

Re: The Popes point

Yes!

That explains more than you can possibly know,HM.

 

[mattttt25]

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ok, radical islamics kill and catholic priests fondle little boys. i don't which is worse.

 

[oddjob]

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The pope read from a book and muslims are pissed. If if make em feel better I'll behead myself five times this week to even the score for them..