Fox News loosing ground.

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Slumping Fox News Celebrating 1st Decade
By DAVID BAUDER, AP Television Writer

Sun Oct 1, 5:18 PM

Roger Ailes, chairman and chief executive officer of Fox ...
NEW YORK - Fox News Channel will mark its 10th anniversary this week in an unusual position: knocked back on its heels.

The network is in the midst of its first-ever ratings slump. Cable news' most stable lineup is being juggled. And the blow-up over President Clinton's interview with Chris Wallace suggests that Democrats are attacking Fox because they perceive the same vulnerability in the network as they do in the Bush administration.

Maybe some of this was on Fox News chief Roger Ailes' mind one day last week when he rode the elevator to the 22nd floor of News Corp.'s office tower for an 8:45 a.m. stroll through the network's ad sales department.

Mr. Ailes? What are you doing up here, someone wondered aloud.

"Taking attendance," the hard-charging motivator replied.

Message delivered.

Loved by some, loathed by others, Fox News Channel has been the biggest success in the cable industry and profoundly changed television news since its signal turned on Oct. 7, 1996.

Ailes can still remember a reporter's laughter during the news conference to introduce the network. He had the last laugh: Fox News beat by a year his plan for overtaking CNN and grew to more than double its rivals in viewership. It made stars of Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity and put "fair and balanced" into news history textbooks.

Opinionated talk is now a staple on the TV dial, with Keith Olbermann on MSNBC, Lou Dobbs on CNN and Nancy Grace on CNN Headline News. Fox was first.

"I watched CNN for a week before I went on and I kept trying to wake myself up," Ailes told The Associated Press. "I kept nodding off and I realized they are biased, they are boring, they looked like a network that has never had any competition."

Ailes, a former Republican political operative, said simply presenting different points of view made Fox seem like a contrast to left-leaning news coverage elsewhere.

Before Fox, many in the media scoffed at the notion of a liberal bias and figured only a handful of people really believed that, said Erik Sorenson, former MSNBC president.

"Fox proved it's a much larger group than anybody realized," he said.

Their success clearly made others respond. The very idea that Rush Limbaugh would appear on a "CBS Evening News" segment called "Free Speech," heavily promoted on Katie Couric's first night as anchor, would have been unfathomable a decade ago, Sorenson said.

"I've had many people say to me we have forced people to think differently in their own newsrooms," Ailes said.

Fox's critics consider "fair and balanced" camouflage for an agenda. Whatever the truth, news-watching became increasingly partisan: more Democrats watched CNN, more Republicans watched Fox, according to a 2004 study by the Pew Research Center for the People in the Press. The year Fox started, CNN had more Republican viewers than Democrats.

While he cautioned not to overexaggerate Fox's influence, former CBS News President Andrew Heyward suggested industry sensitivity to Fox's popularity, coupled with shock after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, combined to dampen aggressiveness in questioning the government's assumptions leading up to the Iraq war.

Ailes dismissed that theory with an epithet.

Less attention has been paid to the look of Fox News. During its peak, it appeared more colorful, more graphically innovative and more urgent. It made CNN look stodgy.

But the years of explosive growth have ended at Fox. Viewership over the first eight months of the year was down 5 percent compared to 2005, with a steeper 13 percent decline in prime-time, according to Nielsen Media Research. For 12 straight months, Fox's prime-time audience has been smaller than the year before. Meanwhile, CNN viewership inched up 5 percent this year through August. On a typical day this year, Fox's audience is 845,000 while CNN's is 466,000.

"It's hard," Ailes said, "to win the Super Bowl every year."

The timing is inopportune, since Fox is about to negotiate new fees with cable and satellite providers to replace contracts agreed to when the network first started. As a startup, Fox accepted low fees from cable providers and believes its success made those deals a bargain. Now Fox wants them to pay up, and in some cases is asking providers to quadruple their payments.

Theories abound on the ratings decline, and include simple rules of gravity: Ratings can't go up forever.

Some believe there's a correlation to the declining popularity of President Bush and concern about the Iraq war. "The rah-rah enthusiasm that was there in 2002, four years later has dissipated," Sorenson said.

Some of the bigger stories of the past year, such as Hurricane Katrina and the wars in the Middle East, played better to the newsgathering strengths of CNN, Heyward said.

Olbermann's growing popularity _ and growing partisanship _ along with the response to Clinton's "Fox News Sunday" interview also indicate that Fox's foes have less fear about taking the network on.

Fox has recently made a handful of lineup changes _ most notably yanking E.D. Hill from the popular "Fox & Friends" and giving her a daytime anchor slot, replacing her on the morning show with Gretchen Carlson. Ailes said FNC is trying to add some fresh faces to its contributors.

Ailes is also up to old motivational tricks, including calling the occasional 5 a.m. meeting ("I think it's useful to wake people up and remind them of how they get their paycheck," he said). A large trade publication ad placed recently saying the network was looking for aggressive new producers was seen _ for good reason _ as being directed as much internally as at job seekers.

Despite the slump, Ailes is quick to point out that Fox News still consistently beats all competitors throughout the day and evening.

"I have to be careful because I'm never satisfied unless we're going upward," he said. "But the truth is, I wouldn't change places with anybody else and they would change places with me in a heartbeat. For all the attacks we get, do you think MSNBC or CNN wouldn't want to be where we are?"

When he gets up everyday, "I don't want to be where they are," he said. "I don't want to be sucking canal water every morning thinking, `what am I going to do today to make things better?' You have to keep it in perspective, which I try to do."
 

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Re: Fox News loosing ground.

Fox's numbers are still almost double that of their closest rival, the 30 year old cnn which had a virtual monopoly on cable news for their first 20 years.

This is just an AP writer trying to feel empowered.
 

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I think that article actually leans positively for Fox . . . It notes among other things that a large chunk of the American people DO belive there is a liberal bias in the Mainstream and moved to Fox for precisely that reason. It also notes that Fox remains in the driver's seat. I'm not quite sure what Fox has loosed . . . you decide.
 

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Must be nice to slip a little yet still beat your competition's pants off.

When you're on top of the needle, there's always someone underneath trying to prick you.
 

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" On a typical day this year, Fox's audience is 845,000 while CNN's is 466,000."

Hmmm... speaks volumes.

Also, the sheeple of America will flip flop at the drop of a hat. Roughly 20% of all Americans are sheeple so they are a pretty big number.

Ken
 

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sounds like sour grapes to me.
 

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Yeah they are losing it! The fact that they recognize it is a good thing. I get tired of the conservative party line droning at times. What happened to the "We report you decide"?
I see that the communist news network is changing a little. Lou dobbs is refreshing at times and Glen Beck is "okay". Cafferty is the same ol POS.
Fox needs to look at the competition and make changes themselves. All businesses do.

CD
 

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People are indeed finding out that Fox news is indeed Faux News.

And the cheerleading for this administration is wearing a bit thin finally
 

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The cheer leading of the Democratic party is chafing over at CNN. I can't get over the look of glee as the Foley stories are reported. I also can't help but notice the "talking points" being repeated verbatim there. Much more, make that much much more, than Fox and the conservative line.

CD
 

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PW2 said:
People are indeed finding out that Fox news is indeed Faux News.

And the cheerleading for this administration is wearing a bit thin finally

The cheerleading may be, but it's better than all the bashiing you hear at from all the others.
 

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PW2 said:
People are indeed finding out that Fox news is indeed Faux News.

And the cheerleading for this administration is wearing a bit thin finally
CNN gets Glan Beck, and the numbers are slightly slipping at fox. I wonder what would happen if Rush Limbaugh decided to do a CNN spot like Beck...Ya reckon Fox might lose a wee bit more of market share? Garapolo and "old her-man" aint sellin, man.


Do the math PW.


 

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EricKems said:
PW2 said:
People are indeed finding out that Fox news is indeed Faux News.

And the cheerleading for this administration is wearing a bit thin finally

The cheerleading may be, but it's better than all the bashiing you hear at from all the others.

That "bashing" you speak is just reporting reality, instead of the "State of Denial" so described in Woodward's book, among numerous other reliable sources.

Perhap Abe Lincoln was right. You can fool all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you can't fool all the people all of the time.
 

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Re: Fox News loosing ground.

PW2 said:
EricKems said:
PW2 said:
People are indeed finding out that Fox news is indeed Faux News.

And the cheerleading for this administration is wearing a bit thin finally

The cheerleading may be, but it's better than all the bashiing you hear at from all the others.

That "bashing" you speak is just reporting reality, instead of the "State of Denial" so described in Woodward's book, among numerous other reliable sources.

Perhap Abe Lincoln was right. You can fool all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you can't fool all the people all of the time.
Your insight and Monday mornig quaterbacking is Brilliant!! Give me a break.
 

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It's gotten to where I cannot stand to watch either Fox or CNN...the "Cult of Personality" type presentations they exhibit distract too much from the story.

Most of my news anymore comes from the web where I read the written articals by ABC, CBS, CNN, Fox, NBC. Then I cruise over to BBC for a bit.
 

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Re: Fox News loosing ground.

Very said:
The cheer leading of the Democratic party is chafing over at CNN. I can't get over the look of glee as the Foley stories are reported. I also can't help but notice the "talking points" being repeated verbatim there. Much more, make that much much more, than Fox and the conservative line.

CD

I agree.Of course the democrats would have you believe that they have genuine concern for the well being of young pages and they are in no way attempting to use this for a groping for straws political agenda.And how would one know that for sure?Cause democrats are all honest and straightforward individuals and all republicans are stupid liars.Nancy Pelosi said so.Sure ,everyone affiliated with the republican congress knew every detail of Foleys' online behavior,and said. to heck with the young pages,we don't want to lose a seat.
Heck, if it weren't for democrats ,there wouldn't be any known homosexuals serving on the congress.8) So ,whose wrong doing is all of this?
















It's freakin Foleys'.He's a sneaky little gay pedofile.Ain't you watchin?Not some republican conspiracy.Some of you guys are trying to prosecute Jeffery Dahmers' parents for not watching him closer.He$$ ,That's what Foleys' job was.Watching out for Foleys.

Maybe they could make all gays wear a certain color badge while on the job as long as all heteros would agree to wear their prospective color badge.Then everyone could watch out for each other.This 'don't ask ,don't tell' doesn't seem to be working out real well.8)
 

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Re: Fox News loosing ground.

Parrott_head said:
It's gotten to where I cannot stand to watch either Fox or CNN...the "Cult of Personality" type presentations they exhibit distract too much from the story.

Most of my news anymore comes from the web where I read the written articals by ABC, CBS, CNN, Fox, NBC. Then I cruise over to BBC for a bit.
Yes!! Amen!! All the fluff!! It seldom is real "NEWS", but even when it is, it is useless news. I could care less who the father of some hollywood elitist type's baby is, and these clowns will do entire HOURS on the subject!
"24hour news cycles" are no longer 24 hours either. They run a loop overnight (from what i have seen of them).



 

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Tremors ripple through the FOX corporate Board Room as millions switch the dial from FOX to Katie Couric for their unabridged news fix.

Yeah, and Dan Rather is an objective reporter, and....

Does what we see on a particular TV channel shape our thoughts, or do our initial predispositions influence what channnel we view?

Or do we channel surf around the commercial-of-the-moment looking for any channel showing any news?
 

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Interesting take. A line from the local news paper reads, "The slum in Fox veiwership is directly related to the war in Iraq. From the get go, Fox News has been the single pro war mouth piece for the Bush's administration. Shows such as The ORiely Factor, Manity & Colm attracted thousands of new viewers angered by the 9/11 attack. The writer further wrote, "With no clear victory in sight and death tolls rising, support for the war decreased sharply. Similarly, the number of viewers at Fox News fell also." He concluded, In the next two years, the number will drop even further. Well below CNN and MSNBC.
 

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I quit the paper, can't handle the TV local news, which is just freaking garbage. Fox still the best for any news, but the trouble is its getting OLD. World turning to s%$t, way too much politics with nothing getting done, one scandal after another.......even the Weather Channel is pissing me off. We have had maybe a few drops of rain here in the Pacific Northwest in the last 3 months, but they have us deluged half the time. Down to CNBC (turning into a game show), and South Park reruns...rest sucks. Retired, and listen to my own music, and live my life. I quit worrying about ANYTHING I have no control over, and thats about 99.9% of anything on TV. Lifes too short
 
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