Hello Boat damage repair

[Hardboiled]

hi all..
is it possible to get any help here? is for a boat i got with some little Damage on the front. is my first Boat and i want to get ideas if is worth to fix it or not. thanks

the Brand is WellCraft v-20 steplift inboard engine, Year i dont know exactly probably around 1988-89 not sure

i want to take a few pictures later to see if someone good on this can give me any idea

 

[Bob_VT]

Re: Hello Boat damage repair

Welcome to iboats!

You will get alot of good advice from people have been through the same route as you. Alot of us have rebuilt boats of all types and construction, repaired what other people have thrown away. You are in the right place.

Here is a link on how to post photos (yes we are addicted to photos) http://forums.iboats.com/bbBoard.cgi?a=viewthread;fid=37;gtid=1179789

Post some photos, search this forum and the others and you will enjoy it here.

Bob

 

[Hardboiled]

Re: Hello Boat damage repair

here are some pictures of the boat

thats what i done until now, i dont know what to do next or anything, need to know where to buy resin or whatever i need..
that little damage down in the boat has a little leak, when it rains i see a little drop but thats all. The inside picture close up has no hole in it but the water filter inside the fiberglass i think??

I want to fix all this problem to then start doing to rest.
The engine is there and looks like Ford v8 gt and i havent tried to see if it works, i believe i need to replace it with other & the Steering Wheel is all disconnected on the back of the console, the Fuel tanks goes above on the sides of the boat and are also unpluged, the part of the proper i dont know either but looks good

 

[andy6374]

Re: Hello Boat damage repair

You are heading in the right direction. Doing the work from the inside and outside will result in much stronger repair.

Are your stringers wood cored or foam filled?

Whem making glass repairs to the keel I would recommend using a strong fabric like a bixaxel (1708 or 1808). 1708 is much stronger than 1.5oz and weighs only a tiny more per square yard.

You'll to want leave room on the outside of the hull for a finish layer of 1.5oz mat or 6-9 oz cloth. This will help prevent print-thru of the 1708 pattern (woven roven for that matter too).

Supplies

www.mertons.com
www.uscomposites.com
www.fgci.com
www.compositesone.com

 

[tashasdaddy]

Re: Hello Boat damage repair

good start, your on the right track. do it right the first time,

 

[Hardboiled]

Re: Hello Boat damage repair

That bar im pointing with the red arrow is Wood inside, thats the stringer or the other across under the boat floor ? they are all wood i think.
right now, in the state the boat is, what step i need to do next?

Andy that bixaxel fabric 1708 goes first inside? how many Layer i need? what type of Resin i need to buy, i need a Gallon less or more? What i do in the front outside, someone told me i dont need to use Fiberglass outside?? do i need anything special to apply there?

 

[Hardboiled]

Re: Hello Boat damage repair

 

[andy6374]

Re: Hello Boat damage repair

You'll want to glass from the inside and outside. Go with overlapping pieces of glass, with each consecutive layer 2" wider than the previous. To repair the stringer and keel you'll probably need 2-3 gallons, depending on the size of the whole repair.

I'd just buy a 5 gallon bucket and save $$$. Once you dig around you probably end up finding more things that need repair and you'll end up using the resin.

For the stringers I would use three overlapping layers of 1708 and a finish layer (if you want) of 1.5oz mat. The mat isn't really necessary because no one will see the stringer. You'll have to grind back the existing glass 6 inches on either side.

You can't lie the wood exactly on the hull, you'll have to put them in a bed of thickened resin and make fillets at the joint. This will help ease the hard spot created by the stringer.

 

[Hardboiled]

Re: Hello Boat damage repair

Im confuse, i dont understand

1) For inside i need 1708 layer right? how many layers i need to apply there?
All im putting inside there is just some layer of fiberglass or whatever it it, i only want to prevent water to go through the floor, thats all, then im putting the piece of floor back and thats it.

2) Outside what type i need to apply? theres some little holes or cracks, how i cover that? any fiberglass or Gelcoat or whatever?
The Finish layer where i get it?

3) What type of Resin? epoxy or polyester?
need like 3 Gallons?

I want to buy all the products to finish all at once..
like how much you can calculate all this cost $?

dont want to get too complicated doing this much deeper
just finish the layers i need to put inside and outside and thats it.

I appreciate the help, im just getting confuse on this cause i never done anything with Fiberglass or boats in my life
thanks.........................................

 

[Hardboiled]

Re: Hello Boat damage repair

also whats a cheap place to buy all this ? cant spend too much $ or i need to throw away this boat hehe
TY

 

[ondarvr]

Re: Hello Boat damage repair

I would check and see if you can get the engine running first, if it's toast, then get ride of it. It can cost a great deal of money to fix up a non running engine and outdrive, then fix the boat too. You can get a running boat and trailer for less than it may cost you fix and rebuild one with a bad engine.

 

[Hardboiled]

Re: Hello Boat damage repair

Yeah thats true it cost more to repair a boat. i can get a working running boat for around $2000 or something. But this boat is ok theres not much to do i think, just fix that little part there inside and ouside, when i finish with that i got already a repaired Ford mustang v8 engine someone is giving to me.

outdrive seem not too bad probably but need to be repaired a bit, the Steering Wheel i think i need a new one and i know it cost around $250.
I got the trailer also and it was all Free i didnt pay for boat or trailer
I want this boat mainly for fishing. its my first boat

 

[andy6374]

Re: Hello Boat damage repair

I thought you said you chopped away the stringer. You just can't glass over that spot...you need to replace the stringer. And yes, 1708 is what you want use when tabbing the stringer into the hull.

6 oz cloth or 1.5 oz mat makes for a good finish layer. Grind it down fair, then apply some resin thickened with microballons and cabosil and sand it completely fair. You could also just use some polyester glazing putty from the autobody shop. After sanding fair you can apply the gelcoat.

I've started using vinylester resin and I'm really impressed with how it wets out and its bonding capabilities. Go with poly or vinylester for the repair in my opinion. Besides you can't gelcoat over epoxy.

But I agree with ondarvr, makes sure you have a working motor,

Supplies:

www.mertons.com
www.fgci.com
www.compositesone.com
www.uscomposites.com

 

[Hardboiled]

Re: Hello Boat damage repair

the stringer you see on the picture is not much longer than that i only cut less than a feet of it and it was doing nothing in there
dont think it will do anything

ok thanks im looking to buy the products soon

 

[Boat Joe]

Re: Hello Boat damage repair

This may be some the best advice your going to get. Spend the money get a boat that runs and get out on the water and enjoy yourself.

With all do respect to take a boat from that condition to seaworthy operation is most likely going to cost you way more, and mean way more in materials than it will ever be worth when your finished. Add to that your time invested when you could be out on the water relaxing and it's just not worth it. If your looking for a hobby to keep you busy then go for it but if you’re doing this to get out on the water cheap go another way.

If you move forward check that engine and drive, hulls are a dime a dozen, the engine and drive are what are worth the money. OMC Cobras didn't always have the best reputation and if the boat has been sitting plan on doing water pump, impeller, and seals not mention at least a few other things you didn't expect. If your using the same cooling system for the engine, check those manifolds and risers if they haven't been done in the last 3-5 years in a salt-water enviroment change them. Shift and throttle cables may also need to be done. Then figure on things like new batteries, running lights etc. Add to that all the gear you will need to buy that may come as bonus with a good used boat and the costs keep climbing. Resin and cloth add up fast too, and when you finish you still need to decide between paint and gel coat. Then there is upholstery and canvas and the list goes on. When you’re done your going to have a boat that is worth what? Check the year it’s the last 2 numbers of the HIN located on the back of the hull. Then book it on NADA. If its an 88 it may show $4000.00 on the books,if it's a 78 then it may hang around $2,000.00 and remember most things don't sell for book value.

My point to all this is why not save up buy one in running seaworthy condition. The cost will be the same and trust me you will still have plenty to spend your time and money on just in upkeep and maintainence.

Good Luck.