Sen. Kerry's recent blunder...

[BoatBuoy]

Re: Sen. Kerry's recent blunder...

From the master:

George Bush

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we," Bush said. "They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

9/21/2004 "The CIA laid out several scenarios and said life could be lousy, life could be OK, life could be better, and they were just guessing as to what the conditions might be like."

9/17/2004 "Free societies are hopeful societies. And free societies will be allies against these hateful few who have no conscience, who kill at the whim of a hat."



9/6/2004 "That's why I went to the Congress last September and proposed fundamental—supplemental funding, which is money for armor and body parts and ammunition and fuel."

9/6/2004 "Too many good docs are getting out of the business. Too many OB/GYN's aren't able to practice their love with women all across the country."

8/10/2004 "So community colleges are accessible, they're available, they're affordable, and their curriculums don't get stuck. In other words, if there's a need for a certain kind of worker, I presume your curriculums evolved over time."

Misspeaks happen, sometimes to the best of us.

 

[Speedwagon]

Re: Sen. Kerry's recent blunder...

From the master:

George Bush

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we," Bush said. "They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

9/21/2004 "The CIA laid out several scenarios and said life could be lousy, life could be OK, life could be better, and they were just guessing as to what the conditions might be like."

9/17/2004 "Free societies are hopeful societies. And free societies will be allies against these hateful few who have no conscience, who kill at the whim of a hat."



9/6/2004 "That's why I went to the Congress last September and proposed fundamental—supplemental funding, which is money for armor and body parts and ammunition and fuel."

9/6/2004 "Too many good docs are getting out of the business. Too many OB/GYN's aren't able to practice their love with women all across the country."

8/10/2004 "So community colleges are accessible, they're available, they're affordable, and their curriculums don't get stuck. In other words, if there's a need for a certain kind of worker, I presume your curriculums evolved over time."

Misspeaks happen, sometimes to the best of us.

Yes, misspeaks do happen. That was mostly my point... and to poke fun of Kerry. By your own admission, Bush does it fairly often. Which makes it less comical, because it's fairly regular.

When someone who doesn't normally get in the spotlight for misspeaking does it, it's entirely different. They are more open to riducule for it, because it's abnormal for them.

 

[gonfishn]

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College education or not does not all soldiers who are fighting overseas bleed red? Does the grave that marks a fallen hero say if they have an education or not? Does a bullet care who it hits during combat?

Many a Nam Vet such as myself went to college after I served my tour. Kerrys remark wasnt only focused on todays events but all vets who served and died during ALL the wars since our history began.

As with most vets Kerrys remarks does not sit well with the vets at the VFWS. I doubt if we will see him running in any upcoming elections. If he does be he with any party very few vets will vote for him.

 

[Boomyal]

Re: Sen. Kerry's recent blunder...

From the master:

George Bush

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we," Bush said. "They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

9/21/2004 "The CIA laid out several scenarios and said life could be lousy, life could be OK, life could be better, and they were just guessing as to what the conditions might be like."

9/17/2004 "Free societies are hopeful societies. And free societies will be allies against these hateful few who have no conscience, who kill at the whim of a hat."



9/6/2004 "That's why I went to the Congress last September and proposed fundamental—supplemental funding, which is money for armor and body parts and ammunition and fuel."

9/6/2004 "Too many good docs are getting out of the business. Too many OB/GYN's aren't able to practice their love with women all across the country."

8/10/2004 "So community colleges are accessible, they're available, they're affordable, and their curriculums don't get stuck. In other words, if there's a need for a certain kind of worker, I presume your curriculums evolved over time."

Misspeaks happen, sometimes to the best of us.

BoatBoy, if you think what Kerry said was a mis-speak then you are a fool(ed one). He knew exactly what he was saying and why. What he did not take into account was the effect it would have on people who were currently serving and their families.

For you to compare it to some of Bush's goofs is like comparing apples and oranges.

.........but suffice it to say, I think we have heard the last from The Vet as far as any national asperations are concerned. He just drove the last nail into his coffin, or should I say, he just stuck his second shoe into his mouth. And you know what happens when your two shoes are in your mouth instead of firmly planted on the ground?

He is an arrogant fool who thought he could make his political way by taking what is mine and giving it too whomever he could get his votes from. His arrogance just booted him in the behind.

Good riddance!

 

[BoatBuoy]

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BoatBoy, if you think what Kerry said was a mis-speak then you are a fool(ed one). He knew exactly what he was saying and why.

Wow, any you're clairvoyant as well. Is there no end to your wisdom and vision?

 

[CJY]

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Boom,

Since you have all the answers, explain this; what could Kerry possibly hope to gain by intentionally calling the troups stupid?

Truth is, nothing could be gained by saying this with intent, as poor a statement as it was. All the hoopla is nothing more than a smoke screen for the real "fool."

 

[Boomyal]

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Boom,

Since you have all the answers, explain this; what could Kerry possibly hope to gain by intentionally calling the troups stupid?

Truth is, nothing could be gained by saying this with intent, as poor a statement as it was. All the hoopla is nothing more than a smoke screen for the real "fool."

Like I said on the other post, you stand on the limb that you are sawing off and you fall down, go boom. One does not happen without the other. Now that's an idiot.

 

[Bob Fort]

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What Kerry said is a matter of record. His intentions are not; and they are poorly represented as he attempts to explain them after the fact.

Does he really think we are so butt stupid as to accept his attempt to gloss over his comments as a joke gone bad?

I resent his arrogant vantage point wherein he makes stuff up then expects us to swallow it whole cloth.

Yikes, politicians are sure a different breed of cat....

 

[crunch]

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I'm going to make a prediction, Kerry will, despite his assertions to the contrary, apologize.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/01/kerry.remarks/index.html

Not that it was much of an apology, and not like it will do him any good at this point...

 

[BLU LUNCH]

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When the GOP loses next week in ball of flame it will be Kerry's fault! NOT

 

[crunch]

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When the GOP loses next week in ball of flame it will be Kerry's fault! NOT

I think you mis-spelled "when".... in this case it's spelled "If"

 

[treedancer]

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It seems that some people can get away with telling lies and jokes that costover three thousand plus lives doesn’t it?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uh4U-Tbqbx4&eurl=

 

[crunch]

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It seems that some people can get away with telling lies and jokes that costover three thousand plus lives doesn’t it?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uh4U-Tbqbx4&eurl=

 

[Speedwagon]

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It seems that some people can get away with telling lies and jokes that costover three thousand plus lives doesn’t it?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uh4U-Tbqbx4&eurl=

I like the way everyone forgets that Congress believed there were WMDs there enough to authorize the invasion of Iraq. Not to mention Clinton thought there were WMDs there too. So I guess they all lied, just like other countries did too.

Fact is, everyone thought there were WMDs there. Just because they may have been wrong, doesn't mean they lied.

 

[treedancer]

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BS


http://alternet.org/blogs/peek/43359/

Lowest-rated Senators are all Republicans.
Cutting to the chase -- and, perhaps more than anything I've seen in recent years, truly defining the difference between the two parties -- is that the worst grade received by a Senate Democrat was higher than the best grade granted a Republican.

Paul Rieckhoff, Executive Director and founder of Iraq & Afghanistan Veterans of America (IAVA), the country's first and largest Iraq Veterans group, announced on Friday that IAVA has made available a web site giving the results of their analysis of who in Congress truly backs up their words on supporting the troops.
"Sure, politicians say they support the troops. But whose votes back up their rhetoric, and who's just wearing an American flag lapel pin?" "Now there's an easy way to know for sure. The nonprofit, nonpartisan Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America's Action Fund has tallied up every Congressional vote cast on troops' and veterans' issues for the last five years. We've crunched the numbers, and given every legislator a letter grade - the IAVA Congressional Rating."
It is a wonderful idea to be sure and IAVA is certainly the organization to do it. So I thought I would go out over the weekend and do some crunching of my own to document what I think we already know about who in Congress really sticks up for the military and who are merely support-the-troops hypocrites.
I cover the Senate so I decided to do my digging there and what I found will not surprise anyone. IAVA analyzed 155 Senate votes that have taken place since September 11, 2001 and, to calculate their ratings, looked at "…each piece of legislation that affected troops, veterans or military families." IAVA then matched each Senator's votes with the organization's own view of what constitutes true support for active troops, Veterans and their families.

 

[ob]

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If I were a democrat I wouldn't place too much weight on what Kerry said.I mean,no more weight than they would place on what Barabara Streisand or Bill Maher for example said or would say.

I'd be interested in hearing PW2's explanation of how the war in Iraq has "created" in his words,more terrorists as opposed to more just being sucked in from the vacuum of the conflict.Seems the increase in terrorist insurgents was predicted early on in this affair.I'd also feel that txwinners service dodging list be updated to include PW2 as well.After all ,if you've been around here as long as I have ,it's common knowledge that he is a self admitted draft dodger.

 

[Parrott_head]

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Pointer94,

If some other politician had taken photos of President Bush looking under items in the Oval Office and claimed he was looking for WMD's what would be the political backlash?

Bush's skit was based on the fact that as yet no WMD's of any great number have been discovered. Yet our primary reason for going into Iraq was to make our nation more secure by eliminating them. To make light of this to amuse the press corps seems by many to be in very poor taste. If your loved one was serving would you care to see the reason for them being over there being used as a punch line?

As for all this talk about supporting the troops, just what does that mean? Staying lockstep behind a CIC who has a very questionable military service record?

I support the troops, I have cooked pounds of beef jerky and sent to members serving is Basra. Beef Jerky is an item they love, can't seem to get enough of it. I have also loaned out personal SCUBA gear to a member of the Navy so that he could have recreational dive time as permitted.

So, what does your link have to do with Kerry? If you have any pull with War Hero Kerry, have him try this -- I'm Sorry.

I called him this morning and asked him to do as you requested. He said fine, no problem.

Perhaps Kerry did not mean this as a joke. Today he has offered an apology. Certainly his reputation will take another hit as a result of this. It's of no consequence to me, I'm not a fan of his.

There are members of both parties I respect and admire as there are members of both parties I loathe.


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[crunch]

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Whatever TD... first a doctored video, now a blog... I'm not even going to waste my time running up the BS flag, just consider it done.

 

[POINTER94]

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Parrot head,

I agree, Bush's little press corps skit was not the best but it could be discribed as self deprivating. He was blaming himself not the troops. Calling our troops stupid is just comtemptable. Supporting the troops involves not looking to create issues showing their lack of success, not going to gitmo pretending we are torturing someone, it involves prosecuting offenders of civilians without blaming the entire military, it involves pointing out success, it involves dropping everything to get them the proper equipment, it showcases their civilian involvement, it is double, triple, quadruple checking facts before hanging our troops out to dry in the press, it involves calling the enemy THE ENEMY and not freedom fighters or other euphamisms creating a negative image of our troops, it involves decrying terroristic acts and not creating excusses for murder. It involves not publishing details of our secret surveilance programs, or attributing incorrect motives to our CIC without a shred of fact. (Plame issue, still waiting for apologies) I give the benefit of every doubt to all our troops instead of looking for failure and blowing it up.

But I agree with almost everything you have outlined above. I know some democrats that I have tons of respect for, and some republicans that disgust me. And vice versa.

 

[Parrott_head]

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Pointer 94,

Good anaysis of troop support. Most of the points you listed I concur with. A few I differ with.

Our troops have been very successful in a very difficult realm of combat.

Our administration's prosecution of the war was been fraught with poor planning and has ignored advice of critical thinkers.
I think there are options to be explored but this administration has taken a "bunker" mentality and cannot get beyond it.