How many deaths from Chernobyl?

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I'll post the answer a little later. No Googling or similar!
 

Haut Medoc

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Re: How many deaths from Chernobyl?

Directly it was 30 or so, I think.....
Do they really have a number for the after effects?
 

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Re: How many deaths from Chernobyl?

Does this include animals with greater rights than people? Say like reindeer?
 

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Sure Pointer, whatever you feel is appropriate. Include bugs, they're people too right? No, wait, they're not . . . OK draw the line at mammals . . . 8)
 

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Re: How many deaths from Chernobyl?

OK,

600 morally superior co-inhabitants of the earth.
20 humans???

best guess, final answer, no peeking.
 

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OK you guys are obviously too well informed to fall into this trap. The "official" UN number is 56 directly and less than 400 eventual . . . Definitely tragic, but not my now watered down point. I was reading text of a speech that Michael Crichton gave in Nov. 2005, "Fear, Complexity, Environmental Management in the 21st Century"
Washington Center for Complexity and Public Policy, Washington, D.C.

Here's the link (first speech listed on page): Michael Crichton Speeches

And a few excerpts:

"The initial reports in 1986 claimed 2,000 dead, and an unknown number of future deaths and deformities occurring in a wide swath extending from Sweden to the Black Sea. As the years passed, the size of the disaster increased; by 2000, the BBC and New York Times estimated 15,000-30,000 dead, and so on… Now, to report that 15,000-30,000 people have died, when the actual number is 56, represents a big error."

"But, of course, you think, we’re talking about radiation: what about long-term consequences? Unfortunately here the media reports are even less accurate . . . estimates as high as 3.5 million, or 500,000 deaths, when the actual number of delayed deaths is less than 4,000."

"But most troubling of all, according to the UN report in 2005, is that "the largest public health problem created by the accident" is the "damaging psychological impact [due] to a lack of accurate information…[manifesting] as negative self-assessments of health, belief in a shortened life expectancy, lack of initiative, and dependency on assistance from the state."

Very interesting speech with lots of good data. Stuff that leads to why I do not trust any predictions by anybody about almost anything, especially Global Warming.
 

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"But, of course, you think, we’re talking about radiation: what about long-term consequences? Unfortunately here the media reports are even less accurate . . . estimates as high as 3.5 million, or 500,000 deaths, when the actual number of delayed deaths is less than 4,000."

I wonder if these are the same "scientists" who are working on the global warming boondoggle? I guess that numbers are really more affected by politics than actual facts. Buckle up, we got some real doosies coming in the next couple of years. See Global Cooling.
 

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Re: How many deaths from Chernobyl?

Haut said:
Stop global Whining!d:)

Yer commin around Haut, cause that is exactly what the Libs do, in spades.


On another note, you all might remember the ultra left wing, Doom and Gloom, astronomer, Mr. Billions and Billions (Carl Sagan)?

At the outset of the first Gulf War, he stated that if Saddam lit the oil wells on fire, it would presage the end of time.

How 'bout that one from another hallowed, get you out of your car so we can have you where we want you, Environmentalist, huh?

How easy do you think Stalin could have controlled his population if he did not cram them into crummy hi-rise apartments and make them all take mass transit, hmmmmmmm?
 

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Re: How many deaths from Chernobyl?

Now you guys are hot on statistics, just give me something to prove and we can make it happen.

56 killed would have reproduced

2.5 per family unit so 28 X 2.5

65 now killed because they were not born, then this 65 X2.5 units

and we are up to 162.5 X 2.5

get the idea, in just a few calculations we can make it anything. Yes even less than 56 cause they had used up part of their lives and therefore only 1/2 of their lives destroyed so maybe 28 is right.

Now how many Americans have died because W decided to invade Iraq. Your turn.
 

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I guess that switches your position on abortion now eh?

1.35million x 2.5 = 3.375 million x 5 years = 16.875 million
Thanks Tx you have a very valid point. Rare, and inconsequentual.
 

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POINTER94 said:
I guess that switches your position on abortion now eh?

1.35million x 2.5 = 3.375 million x 5 years = 16.875 million
Thanks Tx you have a very valid point. Rare, and inconsequentual.


He, he he!8) Slap ol' Txs where it hurts Pointer.

...and no whining about a woman's right to choose 'cause Haut said: "Stop global Whining!"
 

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Re: How many deaths from Chernobyl?

This also lends some credence to the argument for replacing fossil plants with nuclear plants. Catastrophic consequences of an accident aren't nearly as catastrophic as some would have you believe.
 

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Re: How many deaths from Chernobyl?

BoatBuoy said:
This also lends some credence to the argument for replacing fossil plants with nuclear plants.

Yup, and the misinformation is why we can't . . .
 

Haut Medoc

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So then Iran is justified in their quest for nuclear energy, correct?........JK
 

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Haut said:
So then Iran is justified in their quest for nuclear energy, correct?........JK


You'd think they'd rather build a plant that runs on infidels.
 

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alden135 said:
You'd think they'd rather build a plant that runs on infidels.

Too high of a Carbon ratio . . .
 

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Haut said:
So then Iran is justified in their quest for nuclear energy, correct?........JK

Iran can run virtually forever on the oil they have under them - for just the cost of getting it out & refining it.

We, on the other hand, do not have that option.

If Iran wants to see how nuclear power works, we ought to give them a demonstration - up close & personal, like.
 

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Re: How many deaths from Chernobyl?

Iran wants to use Nuke power because it has so little immediate impact on the environment. No CO2, no SO2, no particulates, etc. They have no major rivers that they can dam to get hydro power.

Also, if they burn their oil they can't sell it to China.

Chernobyl? Including long term effects of radiation I would have said several thousand. Shows that media can fool me, too.
 

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Re: How many deaths from Chernobyl?

Well, If you ask the current residents of Chernobyl, I'd bet they would suggest it was not an insignificant event.
 
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