Re: Iraq Study Group
MRS
how many Iraqis have you ever actually spoken with? how many pakistanis? how many Venezuelans? how many Isrealies?
me I have spoken to many on various peace and humanitarian things.
most have the same desire as you and me, I want to get up in the am, get me a cup of coffee and go to work and come home to my family.
in fact none I ever spoke with wanted to kill me.
thats a bush lie.
I dont agree with monky boy nor his minions anymore than I agree with idiot Mcain or most of the second most report ever paid for with tax money.
however facts are facts.
fact is our feeble attempt at regime change is getting ready to fail and fail dismally. however Bush is going to blame the Iraqis for incompetence when the incompetence started in april of 03.
the US totally failed to secure the border of Iraq. ya disagree? wish to debate that fact?
Iraq had no terror cells nor any suicide bombings in any recent history. care to debate that fact ?
by the US going in with rummys crimminally insane plan it gauranteed what we have today.
as everyone knows I have been very critical of not only the preinvasion plan but the total lack of plan for the events 3 weeks after the invasion.
the fact we could topple saddam was a given, if that was the only objective the war would have lasted 1 week, maybe 2.
however, there4 are at least 5 major tribes and about 8 sub groups that are all going to vy for power.
the borders of 99% of the middle east were actually drawn up by some woman in england at the end of WWII and she had never seen the reagion.
so the borders,while modern, failed to take into account the tribes that have lived there over 5000 years.
if ya wish to see iseal in a new light, look at some of the video taken by the isreali army in 45 and 46.
they actually pulled palistinians from their breakfast tables, tossed them in the street and said this is our land now, england gave it to us.
the videos are sickening but it does not mask the fact.
its a fact the israiles are not our friends, its a fact the sauds will do us in, the Iraqis are to poor and the iranians have a very good reason to hate us, look up the late sha that the US installed in Iran and then look up death squads and corruption.
so no this foolish "war" was not really a war at all, just a feeble attempt at regime change that went horribly wrong.
if MRS could show any credible documents that said MAYBE Iraq MAY attack ONE day I maybe able to alter my mind.
I cannot find anything.
However. we broke Iraq, now we have to fix it.
remember when rummy said we could use Iraqi oil to pay for invading them?
did it never strike you as an oxymoron?
it is Iraqi oil, we cannot force them to pump it or sell it.
that would be like canada taking over our oil fields and saying they would sellit for the cost of taking it.
but many many points I disagree with on the Iraq report.
however many I sadly do.
I totally DISAGREE with any troop withdrawel unless its TOTAL withdrawel.
however I would like to see the ADDITION of at least 250,000 more troops 350;000 if needed.
there is roughly 26 million folk in iraq, every time one of 6them dies they blame the US and we create 4 more that will die.
a war of attrition, eventually we may win, but it wont work.
monkey boy still wont admit he blew it, yet the rats are leaving the ship.
in 04 the additio0n of 250,000 troops to secure the border and aid in security and police force may have wom, now I dont think it will.
I hate to think we will have to rely on syria or Iran but its clear that on our own we can no longer complete the misssion. its far beyond a military mission now, we dont have an actual enemy on the ground to fight.
we are now fighting an ideologly while ducking a civil war.
but I agree with Bush, lets just blame the Iraqi's and leave.
its all their fault anyway.
