Jimmy, no guts

[snapperbait]

Re: Jimmy, no guts

"Forget lefty vs righty, what qualifies Durchowitz to debate on this subject?."

Good question...

 

[treedancer]

Re: Jimmy, no guts

Quote EricKims

No matter the subject tree, you always find a childish way of bringing President Bush into it. Can't you let it go? Unless that is the topic of the thread? Please give it a rest.

As for Carter, maybe he's been drinking Billy Beer that he's had stashed since the 70's.

Wow that last was really on topic wasn’t it?

Quote Boomyal

It is really only perplexing at first glance QC. It is simply another example of a Liberal Slogan with no substance. The left does not dare to allow it's ideas to be scrutinized and challanged.

IMHO it is no different than the Communist's slogans about power to the people!

I guess your right Eric almost as childish as Boomyal ,always finding a way to slam liberals and anyone that don’t conform to his version of the party line isn’t it?

 

[Plainsman]

Re: Jimmy, no guts

Quote EricKims

No matter the subject tree, you always find a childish way of bringing President Bush into it. Can't you let it go? Unless that is the topic of the thread? Please give it a rest.

As for Carter, maybe he's been drinking Billy Beer that he's had stashed since the 70's.

Wow that last was really on topic wasn’t it?

Quote Boomyal

It is really only perplexing at first glance QC. It is simply another example of a Liberal Slogan with no substance. The left does not dare to allow it's ideas to be scrutinized and challanged.

IMHO it is no different than the Communist's slogans about power to the people!

I guess your right Eric almost as childish as Boomyal ,always finding a way to slam liberals and anyone that don’t conform to his version of the party line isn’t it?

Seems to me tree that this thread is about a liberal, Carter. Get the connection? Any clearer now for ya? Probably not.

 

[treedancer]

Re: Jimmy, no guts

Quote EricKims

Seems to me tree that this thread is about a liberal, Carter. Get the connection? Any clearer now for ya? Probably not.

Thread topic= Jimmy, no guts


No Eric liberal, was the interpretation that you put into the thread, I thought the thread topic was “President Carters Cowardly Failure” to discuss with a very experienced trial lawyer( the Israeli-Palestinian conflict,) could be wrong but I don’t think so, will leave the link so you will not have to travel up the thread to view.

Quote <BOSTON - Former President Carter turned down a request to debate Alan Dershowitz about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, saying the outspoken Harvard law professor "knows nothing about the situation.">


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061215/ap_on_re_us/carter_book

 

[Boomyal]

Re: Jimmy, no guts

.... No Eric liberal, was the interpretation that you put into the thread,

Quite the contrary td. Liberal is the mantle that Carter has undeniably chosen to wear! It is not a title that anyone has to bestow upon him. It is a mantle that is! If you know what the meaning of is is.

 

[treedancer]

Re: Jimmy, no guts

Quote Boomyal

Quite the contrary td. Liberal is the mantle that Carter has undeniably chosen to wear! It is not a title that anyone has to bestow upon him. It is a mantle that is! If you know what the meaning of is is.

I guess what your saying boom is when you see the name Carter you have the “Pavlov effect,” associating it with the word “liberal”, because it sure isn’t any where in this post that started this thread.

<Ivan Pavlov>
1849 - 1936

<Pavlov wanted to see if external stimuli could affect this process, so he rang a metronome at the same time he gave the experimental dogs food>

Here point out where the word “liberal” or anything that infers anything liberal into any thing that Carter said. The only thing that can be said about the 82-year-old Carter, is that he had the good since to not debate a 68- year- old world class trial lawyer, as I stated in an earlier post.

<BOSTON - Former President Carter turned down a request to debate Alan Dershowitz about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, saying the outspoken Harvard law professor "knows nothing about the situation." Carter, author of a new book advocating "peace not apartheid" in the region, said he will not visit Brandeis University to discuss the book because the university requested he debate Dershowitz. I don't want to have a conversation even indirectly with Dershowitz," Carter said in Friday's Boston Globe. "There is no need ... to debate somebody who, in my opinion, knows nothing about the situation in Palestine. The school's debate request, Carter said, is proof that many in the United States are unwilling to hear an alternative view on the nation's most taboo foreign policy issue Israel, soccupation of Palestinian territory. Carter brokered the 1978 Camp David peace accord between Israel and Egypt and received the Nobel Peace Prize in 2002. He said the goal of his book, "Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid," is to provoke dialogue and action. There is no debate in America about anything that would be critical of Israel," he said. The reference to "apartheid," the word for South Africa's former system of state-sanctioned racial segregation, has angered some rabbis because it appears to equate that system with the treatment of Palestinians. "President Carter said he wrote the book because he wanted to encourage more debate; then why won't he debate?" said Dershowitz, a vocal First Amendment advocate who has worked for O.J. Simpson and other high-profile clients. Brandeis was founded in 1948 as a nonsectarian university under the sponsorship of the American Jewish community. Carter said he initially was interested in going there. I thought it would be a good idea to go to a campus that had a lot of Jewish students and get a lot questions," he said. But then the initial proposal evolved into a plan for a debate.>

 

[Boomyal]

Re: Jimmy, no guts

Take the wider view td. It doesn't matter that the word 'liberal' does not show up anywhere in this post. All that is necessary is that you are able to know that 'a rose by any other name is still a rose'

Apparently that observation is beyond you with your rose colored glasses.:$

...and if I have to add, Liberals do not like Israel. Liberals do not like anyone who projects power, authority and self reliance. You can deny it til you are blue in the face but the rose is still the rose.

This is the party ethic with which you have chosen to align yourself with. An entity that displays these characteristics cannot be easily brought down to the Lowest Common Denominator. This is the quest of YOUR party and sympathies.

 

[snapperbait]

Re: Jimmy, no guts

"Forget lefty vs righty, what qualifies Durchowitz to debate on this subject?."

Good question...

Again I ask..................... Pointer? Boomer? Eric?.......Anyone care to take a whack at that question?.....

 

[Plainsman]

Re: Jimmy, no guts

"Forget lefty vs righty, what qualifies Durchowitz to debate on this subject?."

Good question...

Again I ask..................... Pointer? Boomer? Eric?.......Anyone care to take a whack at that question?.....

So you have to be an expert, or experienced in a specific topic in order to have a debate? If that is the case I suppose that canidates for President, that have no forigen policy experience or expertise need not apply? Or the local Joe that runs for a local seat in local government or school board can't because there should not debate because of lack expertise in that area?

If Carter has nothing to fear and his facts are straight, then he would prevail in the debate.

 

[treedancer]

Re: Jimmy, no guts

Quote Boomyal

...and if I have to add, Liberals do not like Israel. Liberals do not like anyone who projects power, authority and self reliance. You can deny it til you are blue in the face but the rose is still the rose.


Evidently you must have just glossed over my second post Boom rather them reading it, here I’ll give you a glance at what it said, Plus the reason.

<I am a defender of Israel, and think that it is critical to have at least one friend in the Middle East that we” haven’t alienated.” Now that is out of the way, let’s compare him to what we have leading us now, especially when it comes to calling Past Presidents no guts/cowards.>

Another Boomyal quote

This is the party ethic with which you have chosen to align yourself with. An entity that displays these characteristics cannot be easily brought down to the Lowest Common Denominator. This is the quest of YOUR party and sympathies.

I,ll have to break this into two parts.

1= This is the party ethic with which you have chosen to align yourself with.

…No that is the party that you have in you’re mind chosen to put me. I follow no party line, as a matter of fact I feel sorry for the people that adhere to any party line, as they’re in my opinion incapable of independent thought.

2= Lowest Common Denominator. Theirs that word again lowest common denominator…HHHMMM… An entity that displays these characteristics cannot be easily brought down to the Lowest Common Denominator.

Not sure I would want to be part of any mathematical formula, let alone the least common Denominator.

In my mind that would put me in the same category, as the Bush administration, and that would never do. Be like putting a square peg into a round hole nah never do.

 

[Plainsman]

Re: Jimmy, no guts

tree, you may not "follow" any party line, but your posts do. That is very obvious. So if you get a label, think about what you defend and what you post if you don't want the label.

You and others have given me a label as well, do to my posts and stances on issues. Was that wrong of you to do so?

 

[Kiwi Phil]

Re: Jimmy, no guts

Maybe I should add, that out in the whole-world, Jummy Carter is very well respected.

I believe world history shows him as being the most important, respected and influential American Leader in the 2nd half of last Centuary.

History also shows his Presidentcy was the 1st to be subject to Middle Eastern influence, as in the Iranians refusing to release American hostages prior to a Presidential Election, thereby directly effecting the outcome of an American election. (that was a massive coup by the Iranians, and pretty much shaped their attitude......part of which effects a lot of things today).

Mr Carter has to be well in to his 80's by now.
Personally I respect his as one of the Worlds Elder Statesmen, (and wouldn't have a clue which party he stood for).
Cheers
Phillip

 

[Boomyal]

Re: Jimmy, no guts

Phillip. It is American custom, long standing, that ex-Presidents keep their mouth shut. It has only been with the advent of the radical left, in American politics, that people like Jimmy Carter feel they have to keep popping off once they are out of office.

It is immaterial what the 'rest' of the world feels about him. He tries desperately to look kind and caring for the sole purpose of securing a positive legacy that eluded him during his tenure as Numero Uno.

 

[PW2]

Re: Jimmy, no guts

Phillip. It is American custom, long standing, that ex-Presidents keep their mouth shut. It has only been with the advent of the radical left, in American politics, that people like Jimmy Carter feel they have to keep popping off once they are out of office.

It is immaterial what the 'rest' of the world feels about him. He tries desperately to look kind and caring for the sole purpose of securing a positive legacy that eluded him during his tenure as Numero Uno.

Well, Boomie, your blustering about one thing or another would carry a bit more weight if you could point to some success somewhere in the world in the practice of your idealogy. I get sort of tired of the neo-cons constantly trying to deflect attention from their own patent failures by pointing out the percieved flws of the opposition.

And Kiwi, the neo-con philosophy, as Boomie clearly pointed out, does not give a rat's azz about what the rest of the world thinks, but does wonder why we have troubles in the world. I guess if the rest of the world would follow the script and tremble in fear of us as they should, everything would go much smoother (for the US, at least)

 

[treedancer]

Re: Jimmy, no guts

Quote EricKims

tree, you may not "follow" any party line, but your posts do. That is very obvious. So if you get a label, think about what you defend and what you post if you don't want the label.

You and others have given me a label as well, do to my posts and stances on issues. Was that wrong of you to do so?



Treedancer =, post= #4 / 2005/ 947 of 947 /EricKimms= 4 / 2006 / 1619 of 1619

Sometimes when I feel strongly about something and I’m in town and not doing something I will get in here and make a few posts. If people judge me about my post that’s on them, I guess that’s about the only way that you can be judged on an open forum though. Ill try to put a few of my views on here for you Eric and let you judge for yourself if you want to put a liberal tab are not.

Abortion = very much against

Right to carry arms =for

War in Afghanistan=very much for

War in Iraq=very much against, unfortunately we have to finish what we broke

Religion=Go to church couple of times a month but not on Sunday

Politics =voted democrat last election on national scene, some Republican on the local level.

Taxes=Go to this site think it says it all about my stance on taxes. http://www.fairtax.org/

Talk radio=Very suspicious of anybody that can get on radio and talk five days a week, smacks of brain washing to me. Paranoid? Maybe, just a little bit, .

I think that’s about it, I guess your wondering what our post count is doing above? To me it just says that your doing more talking than me, so I guess if you don’t see me in a post you can just assume that I either have no opinion on it or I’m at work.

Merry Christmas Eric, and have a happy New Year to you and your family, from Don C

 

[POINTER94]

Re: Jimmy, no guts

My post was meant to point out the arrogance of Carter in dismissing anyone who doesn't agree with his views. He won't even discuss it with them. Dershowitz is a "leading" attourney in this country, has presented before the supreme court, is of course a liberal icon, a jew, a published author on the Ireali situation ("The case for Isreal" .), and a skilled debater.

Specifically, here is some his baseline qualifications on this issue. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Dershowitz#2006_Israel-Lebanon_conflict

Carter is being a clown and a coward and his arrogance is displayed by simply dismissing someone with the experience of Dershowitz, without so much as putting his self evident position against someone who opposes. I guess in his mind if you don't agree with Carter, you are not qualified to discuss anything. Perhaps Jimmy should have provided a list of people who are qualified to debate with regards to this issue. What would your opinion of him be if he made the same comments after the debate?

 

[JasonJ]

Re: Jimmy, no guts

Thanks for the link Pointer. Maybe JimJim doesn't feel he has the experience level with the situation to even be in a worthwhile debate. I'm just speculating, not assuming either way.

Just as a side note, if I were an ex-president, I don't think there would be a compelling arguement for having a debate on anything with someone who, at the core, is basically a celebrity law ***** who defended and achieved victory for one of the most loathsome people to hit the tv screen (simpson). Maybe that is the situation here, not whether he is worthy to debate the Isreal situation. Just throwing possibilities...

 

[Plainsman]

Re: Jimmy, no guts

Merry Christmas to you and yours Don as well !!

t's nice we can have debates here, some get heated, but most are an honest exchange of idea's, values and morals. That is one reason, in my opinon, that makes this country so strong. Sometimes we have to agree to disagree.

 

[Kiwi Phil]

Re: Jimmy, no guts

PW2, Here is something else that is interesting.

We have had Al Gore down-under in past 1-2 weeks, and he was an excellant ambassador for your country. His interview was excellant and I guess a lot of people came away with very positive feelings toward America.

Maybe 4 days ago, I saw a 5 minute or so clip on TV with Bill Clinton addressing political and community leaders in PNG about aids,: its prevention/managment etc.
He was very frank, forceful, yet respectful, and had the audinance glued to every word.
There is no doubt that his visit will be of mass benefit to PNG peoples, probably saving thousands apon thousands of lives over the next decade, and the audiance will come away with a greater/deeper respect of America.

We respect Jimmy Carter for his Nobel Peace Prize, because that is exactly what he bought to those 2 countries, even tho it cost Sadat his life. (was the Israli leader later assasinated too by his own?). Jimmy Carter will go down in history for that.

By the way, I have no clue as to what Political Parties these blokes belonged to.

Just reckon you should be proud of having people like that represent you to the world. Wish we had some.

Cheers
Phillip

 

[PW2]

Re: Jimmy, no guts

Thanks, Kiwi. I appreciate that.

As is true everywhere, American politicians are a mixed bag, and there are good points and bad points with all of them.
I'm sure the same can be said of Aussie politcal leaders, and most genuinely want to make a positive difference when they can. Whether they are successful or not is open to debate, of course, but it is important to at least try.

Cheers!