Brandeis University to Allow Rebuttal After Carter Speech

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WASHINGTON — Former President Jimmy Carter won't go unchallenged after his appearance next week at Brandeis University, where he is lecturing on his latest book about what he terms the Palestinian apartheid by Israel.

Harvard Law School Professor Alan Dershowitz will step on stage afterward to rebut the former president's remarks despite having been booted from an earlier booking to debate Carter on his assertions.

“I think the inaccuracies of Carter’s points have to be pointed out. Carter said he wrote the book in order to stimulate a debate, but he won’t debate. I’m debating him whether he’s there or not,” Dershowitz told FOXNews.com.

“If his chair is empty, then that’s his decision,” he said.

Dershowitz joins a growing pool of critics, including a longtime Carter aide, Jewish groups and academics who allege inaccuracies and distorted history in Carter's best-selling book “Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid.” The book has sold about 70,000 copies.

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[WillyBWright]

Re: Brandeis University to Allow Rebuttal After Carter Speech

Consider that Jimmy is no spring chicken anymore and he was never a lawyer trained in debate. He seems to be sharp as a tack, but men of his age (octagenarian) often have their good days and their bad days. Dershowitz is very agressive and, although no spring chicken himself ( 68 ), has the edge of relative youth in his favor. And being Jewish, Dershowitz's slant on the Palestinian/Israeli issue is obviously severely biased and very likely virulently opposed to coexistance. Cut Jimmy some slack. What he does do is truly amazing for a man in his eighties. Few of us here could hope to keep pace.

 

[crunch]

Re: Brandeis University to Allow Rebuttal After Carter Speech

Bet you didn't read the whole article...

His speech follows months of publicity surrounding the book. Last week, 14 members of the 200-member board at the Carter Center resigned over what they deemed inaccuracies and one-sidedness of the book that was published in the fall.

The book "portrays the conflict between Israel and her neighbors as a purely one-sided affair with Israel holding all the responsibility for resolving the conflict," reads the resignation letter. "In light of the publication of your latest book 'Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid' and your subsequent comments made in promoting the book, we can no longer in good conscience continue to serve the Center as members of the board of councilors."

 

[Plainsman]

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Quote WBW: "he was never a lawyer trained in debate."

So he never debated anyone to become Govener or President? So he's not a lawyer, so what? Get a grip Willy! He's palying the normal lib tactic when faced with the facts, Cut and Run!!

 

[crunch]

Re: Brandeis University to Allow Rebuttal After Carter Speech

If he cuts and runs this time he will still get tore up.... Jimmy has become as much of a whack job as Algore.

 

[OldMercsRule]

Re: Brandeis University to Allow Rebuttal After Carter Speech

Consider that Jimmy is no spring chicken anymore and he was never a lawyer trained in debate. He seems to be sharp as a tack, but men of his age (octagenarian) often have their good days and their bad days. Dershowitz is very agressive and, although no spring chicken himself ( 68 ), has the edge of relative youth in his favor. And being Jewish, Dershowitz's slant on the Palestinian/Israeli issue is obviously severely biased and very likely virulently opposed to coexistance. Cut Jimmy some slack. What he does do is truly amazing for a man in his eighties. Few of us here could hope to keep pace.

Willy Willy, Jimmy Carter is the worst President in my lifetime, (sorry LBJ: your the second worst). His brain has never functioned very well, but you've now created a VICTIM for all your fellow Libs. I think I would get a kick out of viewing the world through your eyes for a few minutes. JR

 

[crunch]

Re: Brandeis University to Allow Rebuttal After Carter Speech

And being Jewish, Dershowitz's slant on the Palestinian/Israeli issue is obviously severely biased and very likely virulently opposed to coexistance.

What planet do you live on? The Israelis have been knocking themselves out for years trying to get some kind of deal going with their Arab neighbors so they can live in peace, and every time they sign on for one of the deals the other side breaks the deal before the ink is dry.

 

[POINTER94]

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Who exactly is opposed to coexistance? Can someone please quote a member of the Jewish electorate calling for the elimination of all Muslims? Can someone please link me to a story outlining the organized Jewish suicide bomber schools? I guess if you want to support Jimmy Carter you just have to rewrite history.

 

[Bondo]

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Jimmy Carter was the Worst President EVER..........Period........

Double Digit Inflation,....
Not just a Flat Economy,...... More like NO economy,..... Just a Flat Out Recession/ Depression......
And,......
He Allowed the USA to be held Hostage for 444 Days by some Religious Zealot......

Old man or Not,........
He Is/ Was NUTS for Years.........

The Only thing he's got over Algore is the fact that he could carry his Home State in an Election...........
Neither 1 of them has Any Grasp on the Reality of the world we live in...........

 

[treedancer]

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Im not going to get into the flap about whether Carter should debate Alan Dershowitz or not.just whether he is the worse Presedent.

Quote Bond-o

Jimmy Carter was the Worst President EVER..........Period.....

The worse President has 731 days and 11 minutes as I type this. And he is not done yet.


http://www.backwardsbush.com/

 

[PW2]

Re: Brandeis University to Allow Rebuttal After Carter Speech

Why should Carter go unchallenged?

You folks sound like debate is a bad thing.

And what has Carter's record as president, good, bad, or indifferent, have to do with his book?

You folks seem to place more value on being idealogically correct that being successful.

I have no idea the merits of Carter's book, one way or another. I do know that an honest open thoughtful debate is always a good thing--certainly on an issue as important as this. Carter knows that as well.

I have no idea why he would shy away from a debate if in fact that is what he is doing. If he is, that in itself should be challenged.

 

[bekosh]

Re: Brandeis University to Allow Rebuttal After Carter Speech

Im not going to get into the flap about whether Carter should debate Alan Dershowitz or not.just whether he is the worse Presedent.

Quote Bond-o

Jimmy Carter was the Worst President EVER..........Period.....

The worse President has 731 days and 11 minutes as I type this. And he is not done yet.


http://www.backwardsbush.com/

I don't care how biased a democrat you are, there is no way that you could consider Bush the worst president ever. What about Carter, Hoover, LBJ, Grant, W H Harrison, Andrew Johnson. There you go just off the top of my head are 6 that were worse than Bush. And that's if you think he is actually doing a bad job. Which is certainly open to debate.

 

[PW2]

Re: Brandeis University to Allow Rebuttal After Carter Speech

Abe Lincoln was probably the worst president ever, if you happened to be a Southern slave owner at the time.

 

[treedancer]

Re: Brandeis University to Allow Rebuttal After Carter Speech

Quote bekosh


And that's if you think he is actually doing a bad job. Which is certainly open to debate.


I guess we should start a separate thread on this subject, if you look at the other Presidents you will find only one that lied us into a war. That was Johnson, but even he didn’t take us into near bankruptcy with his lies. Sure Carter was incompetent, Nixon was paranoid, LBJ was arrogant and a liar, but this President has managed to incorporate all of the above into one body. Plus he has managed to put together an executive branch with the very same qualities, very efficient.

 

[OldMercsRule]

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Quote bekosh


And that's if you think he is actually doing a bad job. Which is certainly open to debate.

Treedancer stated:
I guess we should start a separate thread on this subject, if you look at the other Presidents you will find only one that lied us into a war. That was Johnson, but even he didn’t take us into near bankruptcy with his lies. Sure Carter was incompetent, Nixon was paranoid, LBJ was arrogant and a liar, but this President has managed to incorporate all of the above into one body. Plus he has managed to put together an executive branch with the very same qualities, very efficient.
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CHALLENGE:
OK Tree, You and others on this board use the term lie frequently, (as do most Libs and Dems). Let's make this easy for the rest of us who don't share your powers of perception.

First: let us define lie. WEBSTER'S "to make a statement that one knows is false, esp. with intent to deceive." If this definition is unaceptable to you please propose your definition.

Second: Prove that George W Bush has told a lie by an accepted definition as above or according to your proposal. No mind reading: just the facts.

Third: If you can't find a way to redifine the clasical meaning as stated above, and can't cite any examples to prove your point, then kindly have some honor and keep your lip zipped until you can back up what you say.

Respectfully, (and I mean it) JR

 

[treedancer]

Re: Brandeis University to Allow Rebuttal After Carter Speech

Here is the link that I put into as Bush would say[ the goggle].

Results 1 - 10 of about 20,900,000 forBush+lies. (0.14 seconds)



I’ve listed four of them if you want more have at it.

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If you can't find a way to redifine the clasical meaning as stated above, and can't site any examples to prove your point, then kindly have some honor and keep your lip zipped until you can back up what you say. >>

I hope that I now have your permission to unzip my lip??


Lie #1-- Asked by a reporter on Oct. 25 if we are winning the war, Bush said, “Absolutely, we’re winning.”

He now says, “We’re not winning, but we’re not losing.”

Lie#2--- Days after giving Defense Secretary Rumsfeld a ringing endorsement, declaring he would be there until the end, Bush fired him

Lie#3--- We’ve Never Been Stay The Course’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FICZGpvOXkQ

lie#4--- On May 29, 2003 Two small trailers captured by U.S. and Kurdish troops had turned out to be long-sought mobile "biological laboratories." He declared, "We have found the weapons of mass destruction."

A secret fact-finding mission to Iraq -- not made public until now -- had already concluded that the trailers had nothing to do with biological weapons. Leaders of the Pentagon-sponsored mission transmitted their unanimous findings to Washington in a field report on May 27, 2003, two days before the president's statement.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/11/AR2006041101888_pf.htm

 

[OldMercsRule]

Re: Brandeis University to Allow Rebuttal After Carter Speech

Here is the link that I put into as Bush would say[ the goggle].

Results 1 - 10 of about 20,900,000 forBush+lies. (0.14 seconds)



I’ve listed four of them if you want more have at it.

<<
If you can't find a way to redifine the clasical meaning as stated above, and can't site any examples to prove your point, then kindly have some honor and keep your lip zipped until you can back up what you say. >>

I hope that I now have your permission to unzip my lip??

Tree, you can say what you want when you want, It is your honor not mine.

Lie #1-- Asked by a reporter on Oct. 25 if we are winning the war, Bush said, “Absolutely, we’re winning.”

He now says, “We’re not winning, but we’re not losing.”

Reply: You honestlly feel this was an INTENTIONAL LIE, as opposed to a Comander in Chief trying to maintain support for a war effort?

Lie#2--- Days after giving Defense Secretary Rumsfeld a ringing endorsement, declaring he would be there until the end, Bush fired him

Reply: That may in fact be a lie, but had the Republicans won, Rummy may still be there. So if you are fair, you would give a benifit of the doubt here.

Lie#3--- We’ve Never Been Stay The Course’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FICZGpvOXkQ

Reply: That is just a political slogan, a real stupid one at that, not a lie.

lie#4--- On May 29, 2003 Two small trailers captured by U.S. and Kurdish troops had turned out to be long-sought mobile "biological laboratories." He declared, "We have found the weapons of mass destruction."

Reply: I think this one was a combination of wishfull thinking and a potential lack of information. We can't tell.

A secret fact-finding mission to Iraq -- not made public until now -- had already concluded that the trailers had nothing to do with biological weapons. Leaders of the Pentagon-sponsored mission transmitted their unanimous findings to Washington in a field report on May 27, 2003, two days before the president's statement.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/11/AR2006041101888_pf.htm

Tree, Thanks for the reply, you say what you want; when you want. I as a fellow American; I would defend your right to do just that, any time, any where. I would not say "lie" based on this, but you and I are very different people. Respectfully JR

 

[BOBPELL]

Re: Brandeis University to Allow Rebuttal After Carter Speech

Jimmy Carter was the Worst President EVER..........Period........

Double Digit Inflation,....
Not just a Flat Economy,...... More like NO economy,..... Just a Flat Out Recession/ Depression......
And,......
He Allowed the USA to be held Hostage for 444 Days by some Religious Zealot......

Old man or Not,........
He Is/ Was NUTS for Years.........

The Only thing he's got over Algore is the fact that he could carry his Home State in an Election...........
Neither 1 of them has Any Grasp on the Reality of the world we live in...........

You forgot the 2 best actions -
1. He allowed Cuba to empty their jails and dump all the human debris here in Florida.
2. Announced "yes" we ARE developing aircraft that is invisible to radar.

He should have stuck to growing peanuts.

 

[treedancer]

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Quote BobPell

He should have stuck to growing peanuts.

Your right there Bob, in addition he could have had as helpers Johnson, and Nixon, being they were all twentieth Century Presidents. Our current President is setting the bar of incompetence high for the twenty-first century.

 

[BOBPELL]

Re: Brandeis University to Allow Rebuttal After Carter Speech

Quote BobPell

He should have stuck to growing peanuts.

Your right there Bob, in addition he could have had as helpers Johnson, and Nixon, being they were all twentieth Century Presidents. Our current President is setting the bar of incompetence high for the twenty-first century.

You know what the real problem is here, Bush is an awful speaker. A real "word crafter" can make you feel OK even while you're being screwed by him. Look at the way Clinton handled the press and public, purely through his speaking. It was all "smoke and mirrors" but he did it so damn well.

I disagree with some of Bush's philosophy but I can't stand listening to him. Instead of sounding like a world class leader it's more like "hooked on phonics."