McCain blasts 'vote of no confidence'

[Plainsman]

"....contended the bipartisan proposal amounted to a demoralizing "vote of no confidence" in the U.S. military. The measure, he said, criticizes Bush's plan to add 21,500 troops in Iraq yet offers no concrete alternatives."

"Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., called GOP efforts to block a vote on the resolution "obstructionism." Neither a Senate majority nor voters, she said, will tolerate such a delaying tactic."

I agree with what McCain says here, and I not a MacCain fan, but it just makes sense to me.

Seems to me that fienstien and the dems are going to see what it's like on the otherside of the coin, For 12 years the dems did the same thing to the Republicans...now that the shoe is on the other foot.

I do hope however that it doesn't spill into things that really matter for the country and the republicans show that there are the better person, but in this case, it is fine with me.

 

[WillyBWright]

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I'm not sure that the proposal condemning the Bush policy should necessarily outline alternatives. Alternatives have been proposed ad nauseum and blanketly ignored. George Sr. even sent some of his best and most knowledgable friends to try to bail Jr. out of the mess he's created and he basically told them to KMA.

"Concrete" is totally a matter of opinion. What's to say that Dubya's plan qualifies as Concrete until success?

 

[Plainsman]

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I'm not sure that the proposal condemning the Bush policy should necessarily outline alternatives. Alternatives have been proposed ad nauseum and blanketly ignored. George Sr. even sent some of his best and most knowledgable friends to try to bail Jr. out of the mess he's created and he basically told them to KMA.

"Concrete" is totally a matter of opinion. What's to say that Dubya's plan qualifies as Concrete until success?

Seems to me that James Baker just testified in front of the Senate the other day and said to give the troop increase a chance. So if the Baker-Hamilton report is what you base your relpy on, then you should agree with him here, correct? Or are you just going to pick and choose, and not offer any alternitives like your beloved "leaders"? Sad..

 

[POINTER94]

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It is a perfect democrat resolution. All fluff, no meat. Time wasted, nothing accomplished, politically motivated, anti-military, and consistant with whatever the pollster in vogue is telling them.

But once again, how is this supporting our troops or benefitting the war effort?

 

[JB]

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"Alternatives have been proposed ad nauseum and blanketly ignored"

"he basically told them to KMA"

Absolute lies, Willy.

To not be persuaded is not the same as to not listen.

Nobody has proposed a plan for success and presented it with sufficient persuasion. That means the proposer FAILED to sell his/her plan. That is the proposer's fault.

You whiney libs sound like the salesman who sold nothing and then whined that the customers wouldn't listen.

 

[POINTER94]

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Salesmen usually have something to sell JB.

 

[PW2]

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Do you honestly think Norm Schwartzkoff or Colin Powell or any number of others would have fought this war the way this administration has?

If there is no longer a military solution (if there ever was one) then let's get serious about a diplomatic solution, and a political one, and not send in 21,000 (or 35,000, or whatever the number) on a part measure that has no chance of success.

I truly have no idea how anyone could could have "confidence" in this plan. Everyone may "hope" it succeeds, but how could one have confidence it will?

 

[Plainsman]

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I don't know what Stormin Norman Or General Powell would have done or do, I can't read their minds.

But I do believe that a miliatry AND political soultion can be accomplished to bring stabiliy there. Not just one or the other, both have to be in play for it to work.

And I DO have confidence..something other than cut and run has to work, or we will pay for it later I am afriad.

 

[CJY]

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It is a perfect democrat resolution. All fluff, no meat. Time wasted, nothing accomplished, politically motivated, anti-military, and consistant with whatever the pollster in vogue is telling them.

But once again, how is this supporting our troops or benefitting the war effort?

"Time wasted and nothing accomplished." How appropriate a statement. Remember now, Baghdad is still unsecure.

 

[Plainsman]

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070204/ap_on_go_co/us_iraq

Forgot the link:}:}:}

 

[12Footer]

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Do you honestly think Norm Schwartzkoff or Colin Powell or any number of others would have fought this war the way this administration has?

this is how liberals see the chain of command in war. They think "the administration" is fighting this as opposed to the generals.. PW,the day they do that, this war is lost. And if they are are, then the libs have been succesful in turning the war on islamic terror into another vietnam -- because that is PRECISELY how Walter Cronkite, john fnkerry, and hanoi jane did it in 1969.

As you went on to say,

If there is no longer a military solution (if there ever was one) then let's get serious about a diplomatic solution, and a political one, and not send in 21,000 (or 35,000, or whatever the number) on a part measure that has no chance of success

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"Diplomacy", by it's very meaning, means that military solutions are not yet called for. In war, diplomacy has already failed if it ever was tried. That's not me just saying that... That is historic fact.
The liberal mind wil not/cannot grasp a realistic concept of war to start with. So when confronted with it, they look for "diplomatic solutions" -- "let's just talk to them, and find out why they are mad at us, and give them what they want".
If only it were possible, PW.

 

[Link]

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What 12Footer said.

And on a personal note, from friends and family in the military.
They are getting fed up with this ..

We "support" the military but are "against" the war crap!

That is coming straight from our soldiers on the ground.
They say:
You either support us and what we are doing or you don't!

That does not mean you can't be against war. (or a war)
Nobody hates war more than a soldier.
His/her life is on the line.

What they are saying is this.
(pick a country) not just the USA
We are here to defend our country. If you choose to send us into combat then our whole country should support us. Until
the job is done.

Afterwards you can fight and argue your points.

But while doing whats is asked.. just support us.

Is that so hard??

Just my .02 worth

 

[PW2]

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All I'm saying is if you believe there is a military solution, then let's get in there and solve it militarily. Like put in 1/2 million troops (institute a draft or whatever) and get it solved.

Otherwise, let's go after somer other tack (Like the ISG suggestions)

These part measures, like 21k troops, are a fools errand.

 

[BoatBuoy]

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We "support" the military but are "against" the war crap!
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That does not mean you can't be against war. (or a war)

Huh?

Does that mean I can be against a war, just not this war?

 

[WillyBWright]

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You shouldn't express dissent regarding a war that we are currently engaged in. That's what they're saying. You can keep it to yourself, just don't say anything to anybody about it. They'll accuse you of beng unpatriotic. I guess that's some people's idea of exercising your rights as an American. Think, but keep silent. The First Amendment is suspended during time of war. That's what they're saying. More of Rush's false logic that he poisons so many minds with.

Heck, to some even running for President is traitorous during time of war when the sitting President is also running. But regarding Free Speech, during time of war you are perfectly welcome to speak your mind, as long as it's what THEY want to hear. Two words for that...
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Sieg Heil! :|


( Interesting video semi-related to topic. )

 

[POINTER94]

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If they meant it, this would be a binding resolution. But in order to do that you would need some guts, and a different plan. Neither of which either side has in sufficient quantities.

Want to get old school? What would Patton do?

 

[RubberFrog]

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What would Patton do?

Probably slap a liberal.

 

[PW2]

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What would Patton do?

Probably slap a liberal.

He might have slapped someone, but my guess is it would have been Rummy and whomever else was responsible for the ridiculous way this operation has been handled so far!

 

[POINTER94]

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PW2,

Do you think Patton would be subscribing to the "unwinnable" or "Run Away" policies of the Dem's?

 

[Haut Medoc]

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Nope, but I don't think he would subscribe to the 'Rummy & Dummy' plan, either........