Lake Michigan

OldMercsRule

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Nope I think the ol' bell rung 29 times. Ever heard o' Gordon Lightfoot? One o' my favorite songs. JR
 

jimlad

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OldMercsRule said:
Nope I think the ol' bell rung 29 times. Ever heard o' Gordon Lightfoot? One o' my favorite songs. JR

:'( sorry to hear that,
i never heard that song
 

OldMercsRule

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Look it up, I'll bet you'd like it. It gets real scary out on ol' Superior or any o' those big boys durring a storm. I don't think sustained waves get much bigger then 40' anywhere in the world. JR
 

Haut Medoc

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I believe it's called, "The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald"......
 

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OldMercsRule said:
Look it up, I'll bet you'd like it. It gets real scary out on ol' Superior or any o' those big boys durring a storm. I don't think sustained waves get much bigger then 40' anywhere in the world. JR
The Northern Atlantic gets bigger seas than that.....;)
 

jimlad

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i will have a look and come back to you
 

OldMercsRule

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Haut said:
OldMercsRule said:
Look it up, I'll bet you'd like it. It gets real scary out on ol' Superior or any o' those big boys durring a storm. I don't think sustained waves get much bigger then 40' anywhere in the world. JR
The Northern Atlantic gets bigger seas than that.....;)

Possibly Me Bro, n' there is the ol' Columbia bar which is supposed ta be one o' the three nastiest places, (with respect ta waves), on earth. That said: those Great Lakes have some real serious storms. JR
 

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Haut said:
I believe it's called, "The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald"......
by Gordon Lightfoot

The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down
Of the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
The lake, it is said, never gives up her dead
When the skies of November turn gloomy.

With a load of iron ore - 26,000 tons more
Than the Edmund Fitzgerald weighed empty
That good ship and true was a bone to be chewed
When the gales of November came early

The ship was the pride of the American side
Coming back from some mill in Wisconson
As the big freighters go it was bigger than most
With a crew and the Captain well seasoned.

Concluding some terms with a couple of steel firms
When they left fully loaded for Cleveland
And later that night when the ships bell rang
Could it be the North Wind they'd been feeling.

The wind in the wires made a tattletale sound
And a wave broke over the railing
And every man knew, as the Captain did, too,
T'was the witch of November come stealing.

The dawn came late and the breakfast had to wait
When the gales of November came slashing
When afternoon came it was freezing rain
In the face of a hurricane West Wind

When supper time came the old cook came on deck
Saying fellows it's too rough to feed ya
At 7PM a main hatchway caved in
He said fellas it's been good to know ya.

The Captain wired in he had water coming in
And the good ship and crew was in peril
And later that night when his lights went out of sight
Came the wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald.

Does anyone know where the love of God goes
When the words turn the minutes to hours
The searchers all say they'd have made Whitefish Bay
If they'd fifteen more miles behind her.

They might have split up or they might have capsized
They may have broke deep and took water
And all that remains is the faces and the names
Of the wives and the sons and the daughters.

Lake Huron rolls, Superior sings
In the ruins of her ice water mansion
Old Michigan steams like a young man's dreams,
The islands and bays are for sportsmen.

And farther below Lake Ontario
Takes in what Lake Erie can send her
And the iron boats go as the mariners all know
With the gales of November remembered.

In a musty old hall in Detroit they prayed
In the Maritime Sailors' Cathedral
The church bell chimed, 'til it rang 29 times
For each man on the Edmund Fitzgerald.

The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down
Of the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
Superior, they say, never gives up her dead
When the gales of November come early.


:'(
 

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i read some stuff and the size of the ship amazed me first its huge even the ships we have coming to our coast where i live are not that big
i read a piece that discovery channel did some investigating and they said the ship was hit by 3 big waves but the third one being a rogue wave they never even got a chance to send out a distress signal
i only ever hear of rogue waves out in the middle of the atlantic your lakes are truely scary:^
 

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Bass said:
Edmund Fitzgerald went down in about 450' of water. The boat was (I think) 660' long. Most spec. I have seen is that she either crested a wave and broke in half or got up on two waves and broke. Waves were 30' to 40' at the time if memory serves.:^ Sorry about the hijack Pony! :$
ps its wierd to think in 450' of water that if the boat stood up you could just walk off.

LOL, it isnt exactly a hijack if I mentioned the Edmund Fitzgerald first.....8)

It is one of those many mysteries that we will probably never really know what happened......just specualtion.

They play that song every so often on the radio. Very sad.

The Great Lakes are certainly nothing to fool around with. I personaly have always been scared of Lake Michigan's undertow.
 

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As a bit of history I am fascinated by the Big Fitz. I have read several professional accounts and the one I subscribe to is that she rubbed bottom on a shoal unmarked on American charts but is identified on the Canadian charts. When she did, she began taking on water. The ore in the holds began to shift and the pumps were not able to keep up. Due to the weather her "sinking" disposition was undetected until to late. She hit a massive wave and never came out. Some believe she struck the bottom in one piece and then broke up. I don't know about this, but it seems to make some sense. I don't believe any of the professional captains I have spoke to over the years ever admitted to the existance of rogue waves in the Great Lakes. I don't know, but I have thousands of hours on the lake without seeing one or hearing of one. I also think that rogue waves in the ocean are caused by sizemic activity not weather. Great distances are required for the waves to gain their size, something the great lakes doesn't offer.

The Edmund Fitzgerald remains a testimony to mother natures defiance of man's claims of invulnerabilty. Growing up on Lake Michigan I was near the breakwaters the day the Fitz went down. The waves were breaking over the lighthouse on the end. 20Ft above the pier. It was our "Perfect Storm".

If you want to read more interesting stories about shipwrecks of the great lakes, look up rouse simmons, a ship that wrecked off of my hometown, and its cargo still finds their way into commercial fishing nets even today.

Great pics pony. The great lakes are beautiful when they are ragin.
 

bassman284

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jimlad said:
that on a lake is insane :^ we only see waves like that in the bay and thats only if there is a storm

this may sound like a stupid question but how on earth can you get waves that big on a lake
Well, you take a lake that's 118 miles (192 k) wide and 307 miles (497 k) long, add a little wind and voila!

(edit:fixed)
 

Pony

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Pointer you from Two Rivers??

I remember hearing stories about that ship. I still find it absolutely amazing that they found the captains wallet...let alone the note in the bottle that washed ashore.
 

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Yep, TR is my old stompin grounds. The suzi Q (LeClair family) commercial fisherman still catch christmas tree's in their nets. :%
 
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