Look what’s been happening while we were bringing Democracy to Iraq.

[treedancer]

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/IC01Df03.html

Kinda looks like we should have stayed and finished the job in Afghanistan, instead of going off on this Quest, to bring Democracy to the Middle East. We have this surge going in Iraq and looks like all hell is getting ready to break loose in Afghanistan. Well-done Rummy, have a look at your legacy.

<<Pakistan makes a deal with the Taliban
By Syed Saleem Shahzad

KARACHI - The Pakistani establishment has made a deal with the Taliban through a leading Taliban commander that will extend Islamabad's influence into southwestern Afghanistan and significantly strengthen the resistance in its push to capture Kabul. One-legged Mullah Dadullah will be Pakistan's strongman in a corridor running from the Afghan provinces of Zabul, Urzgan, Kandahar and Helmand across the border into Pakistan's>>

<<So when the opportunity arose, Islamabad was quick to tap up Mullah Dadullah. This was the perfect way in which Pakistan could revive its contacts in the Taliban and give the spring uprising some real muscle, so the argument went among the strategic planners in Rawalpindi - in fact, so much muscle that forces led>>

 

[OldMercsRule]

Re: Look what’s been happening while we were bringing Democracy to Iraq.

Yah Tree let's just spend all our resources on a real worthless place. Maybe we can go ta woar with Pakistan over OBL:}:}

 

[oddjob]

Re: Look what’s been happening while we were bringing Democracy to Iraq.

Man ABC,CBS, or NBC, etc did an hour special on the subject a few weeks ago. It illustrated the complexity of tribal loyalty within Pakistan.

I guess for the American fast food/info crowd.....


EDIT FOR TREEDANCER
Fast food/info crowd - 1. people who only see or listen to the left and drive-by media 2. people who dont really pay attention to the current or past events in our history until they are baited with a STRANGE HEADLINE designed to enrage their emotions. 3. people who except false acusations unsupported by evidence.

Its easier to blame who or what you hate than it is to consider the real circumstances as well as the Big Picture. Sad



I hope this helps

 

[waterinthefuel]

Re: Look what’s been happening while we were bringing Democracy to Iraq.

OJ, you're right. The tribals stuff is very complex. Musharaff is trying to help us (I think he is) but he's scared to death of what might become of him if he is seen as assisting the US.

He also has his hands in some strange pockets. It's not as simple as people make it sound.

We must be careful with Pakistan, they have the ability to turn this nuclear in the drop of a hat.

 

[JB]

Re: Look what’s been happening while we were bringing Democracy to Iraq.

"Kinda looks like we should have stayed and finished the job in Afghanistan. . ."

What ever gave you the idea that we left, Tree? Whatever gave you the idea that Afghanistan doesn't have a democracy?

Whatever gave you the idea that Shahzad is telling the truth or even knows what he is writing about?

 

[crunch]

Re: Look what’s been happening while we were bringing Democracy to Iraq.

Well said JB, sometimes people forget to think for themselves and just spout what best fits their own agenda, facilitated by, in this case, a very dubious source.

We must be careful with Pakistan, they have the ability to turn this nuclear in the drop of a hat.

And be a self-lite, glass parking lot tomorrow.

 

[Boomyal]

Re: Look what’s been happening while we were bringing Democracy to Iraq.

Yep! Bruised and battered as they were, (the Taliban) thanks to the weak kneed American left, the Talibanis now figure that they will pick up their buised and broken bodies 'cause they just know they have us on the run.

Just bear a little more pain and apply little more pressure and they know that the American Left (the trees, the jimonicas, the blu lunches, the WBW's, the mrbscott's, the Art Burrs, et al) will cause the will of America to crack. Just like it was in Vietnam when we had the North Vietnamese on their knees. (their addmission, not my speculation)

Job well done Liberals, just take a look at YOUR legacy!

 

[mrbscott19]

Re: Look what’s been happening while we were bringing Democracy to Iraq.

Last I checked, the repubs still run the military Boomy. No amount of far left whining can change that. Put the blame where it belongs......with the people who run the military, not the people complaining about it.

Name 1 thing that the left has done that has changed the outcome in Afghanistan or Iraq for the worse. And that "giving aid to the enemy" crap is lame. Come up with something that really means something.

 

[JB]

Re: Look what’s been happening while we were bringing Democracy to Iraq.

Blame? Blame for what, Scotty?

Blame for freeing the Afghanis from the Taliban and permitting them freedom, for the first time in their history?

Blame for destroying the Al Qaeda training camps in Afghanistan?

Of course it is NATO, not just the USA, doing this.

And, of course there is Iraq. Let's see what we can blame the administration for.

Blame for getting rid of the worst despotic tyrant since Stalin and Pol Pot, who lied and lied, agreed to things and renegged, started two wars, conspired to murder POTUS, planted bogus intelligence that he had WMD and would use them, defied the UN, etc, etc?

Blame for putting the Iraqis in control of their own country for the first time in their history?

How about blame for getting the Sunni and Shia to start killing one another? Just how did Dubya pull that one off? BTW, that is not a civil war, it is an extended race riot.

True, we have failed to finally win those wars. That is a transient thing, a prelude to victory. We failed to win WWII for 4 years. We failed to win the wars with the native Americans (whose tactics were very similar to the terrorists) for 200 years, but we won.

We will win these wars, too if the rowrbazzle left doesn't force a surrender like we did in Nam. . . only this time it is the world we will abandon, not just some small country trying to prevent themselves from being conquered by an aggressor.

 

[Boomyal]

Re: Look what’s been happening while we were bringing Democracy to Iraq.

Last I checked, the repubs still run the military Boomy. No amount of far left whining can change that. Put the blame where it belongs......with the people who run the military, not the people complaining about it.

Name 1 thing that the left has done that has changed the outcome in Afghanistan or Iraq for the worse. And that "giving aid to the enemy" crap is lame. Come up with something that really means something.

mrb, this is a prime example of the Liberals' inability to connect the dots!:'(

 

[treedancer]

Re: Look what’s been happening while we were bringing Democracy to Iraq.

Quote Omer

Yah Tree let's just spend all our resources on a real worthless place. Maybe we can go ta woar with Pakistan over OBL

Sure wasn’t worthless to Osama when he took down the Towers, Sure makes a good terrorist training ground.:%

 

[treedancer]

Re: Look what’s been happening while we were bringing Democracy to Iraq.

Quote Oddjob


I guess for the American fast food/info crowd its easier to blame who or what you hate than it is to consider the real circumstances as well as the Big Picture. Sad

Hmm…trying to get a handle on what you’re trying to say with this. How my thinking that we should have at least capture Osama, and finished the war in Afghanistan, equates to American fast food/info is beyond me. Maybe you’re trying to state that we are in the fight for instant gratification? ….So Sad.

 

[treedancer]

Re: Look what’s been happening while we were bringing Democracy to Iraq.

Quote JB

What ever gave you the idea that we left, Tree? Whatever gave you the idea that Afghanistan doesn't have a democracy?


Went back and looked over what I posted JB, cant see anything there that I stated that implies Afghanistan isn’t trying to establish a democracy. The point I was trying to make was that we left too soon;

We should have helped clean up the few remnants of the Taliban and captured Osama. Here is a link that you can read more about it, of course there are some on this forum that think any source that is not owned by Fox is not worth reading but have a go at it any way.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070301/ap_on_re_eu/britain_bin_laden

Quote JB

Whatever gave you the idea that Shahzad is telling the truth or even knows what he is writing about?


I have no proof. Where is your proof that what he is saying is a lie?

 

[Haut Medoc]

Re: Look what’s been happening while we were bringing Democracy to Iraq.

What, you can't understand 'Rushspeak'?

 

[treedancer]

Re: Look what’s been happening while we were bringing Democracy to Iraq.

Quote Boomyal


Yep! Bruised and battered as they were, (the Taliban) thanks to the weak kneed American left, the Talibanis now figure that they will pick up their buised and broken bodies 'cause they just know they have us on the run.

No Boom were not on the run, were in Iraq, we went there before we finished the job in Afghanistan on a bunch of lies and distorted truths. Of course the neo-cons know this, but there in denial, they cant seem to deal with the fact that they voted in a bunch of incompetents to lead the country.

Quote Boomyal

Just bear a little more pain and apply little more pressure and they know that the American Left (the trees, the jimonicas, the blu lunches, the WBW's, the mrbscott's, the Art Burrs, et al) will cause the will of America to crack. Just like it was in Vietnam when we had the North Vietnamese on their knees.

The only will, that will crack, will be the will of the thirty percent of the population that still blindly follows this ship of fools…..and to use the over used term of the right ..Sad.:%

 

[JB]

Re: Look what’s been happening while we were bringing Democracy to Iraq.

Tree said: "Went back and looked over what I posted JB, cant see anything there that I stated that implies Afghanistan isn’t trying to establish a democracy. The point I was trying to make was that we left too soon; "

Well, I don't know any other way to ask the question, Tree. As far as I know, we have not left and we have never stopped trying to catch Bin Laden. True, we haven't invaded Pakistan yet, where he probably is, but if that carp Shahzad is spouting has an ounce of truth to it we may.

If the left MSM isn't screeching about terrible things happening in Afghanistan That is no evidence that we are not there, doing what we went there for.

 

[OldMercsRule]

Re: Look what’s been happening while we were bringing Democracy to Iraq.

Quote Omer

Yah Tree let's just spend all our resources on a real worthless place. Maybe we can go ta woar with Pakistan over OBL

Sure wasn’t worthless to Osama when he took down the Towers, Sure makes a good terrorist training ground.:%

Don't ya think NATO can keep that from happenin' Tree? Do we need 500,000 or 1,000,000 USA GIs to do what you are suggesting here, (after we pull out of Iraq defeated when funds are cut off by the wonderfull Dems, right)? Your are not making a logical case here Tree. JR

 

[oddjob]

Re: Look what’s been happening while we were bringing Democracy to Iraq.

Hey Tree, I edited my above post for your benefit. BTW JB said we never left and even the drive-by is on page with this.

 

[Kiwi Phil]

Re: Look what’s been happening while we were bringing Democracy to Iraq.

The whole Western World knew Afghanistan was the pivot in this terrorism thing.

Thats why they all sent forces, formed a united front, and defeated the Taliban, on the battlefield, but, they knew they also had to rid society of its influence, and re-build the place and turn it in to a democratic fortress.

Then, one third of the way thru the operaton, the main force took off, crippling the whole darned operation.

It was the one country extremist Muslins actually had complete control over allowing them freedom to plan, organise,finance, train, ....do anything they liked.

Now you know why one heck of a lot of Western Countries are not with you in Iraq.

Cheers
Phillip

 

[mrbscott19]

Re: Look what’s been happening while we were bringing Democracy to Iraq.

Last I checked, the repubs still run the military Boomy. No amount of far left whining can change that. Put the blame where it belongs......with the people who run the military, not the people complaining about it.

Name 1 thing that the left has done that has changed the outcome in Afghanistan or Iraq for the worse. And that "giving aid to the enemy" crap is lame. Come up with something that really means something.

mrb, this is a prime example of the Liberals' inability to connect the dots!:'(

Nice dodge Boomy. But I think thats your problem. You are still connecting the dots without looking at the big picture those dots create. Maybe you should upgrade to a color by numbers book.

Now answer my question if you can. For someone who knows that liberals are the root of all our problems, surely you can name one thing they have done that has affected the outcome on the ground in Iraq. Here are a few more questions for ya.....Who disbanded the Iraqi military? Who was in charge of funds to rebuild Iraq that came up missing? Who was responsible for the security of Iraq once Baghdad fell? Who told us the Mission was accomplished? Who said the terrorists are in their last throes? Who told the terrorists to "Bring it on?" I'll make it a little easier for you to find out.....they all have an (R) next to their name.

Every major decision made concerning Iraq has been made by a (R). And this is where those decisions have led us. Whether you are for the war or against it, that fact remains a fact. No amount of liberal whining has changed or will change that fact as it stands now.