All you Rummy supporters

[txswinner]

Hope now you see why this guy was so bad for our country. He got us in a crap war, for reasons unknown, unprepared without a plan. He is gone, thank goodness. New SEC of DEF, at least no more hold the course that so many fell for. Now it is kick butt and get out or get out in the near future but at least there is a plan.

Now what about the real soldiers, not Rummy dodgers guys. Sec of Def tours outpatient housing and the troops are not being give top notch treatment. No if, ands or buts, the problem is addressed and yes not by picking out some mid officer but going to the person who is being paid to be responsible. Two stars gone.

Folks this is part of what was wrong with the George W. administration. Personally it looks too late to save his legacy but at least his Dad sent him some people to try.

Wake up America, there are strong and good leaders, we just need to take the power away from the private interest (large corporations). Shame we can not replace the VP now.

 

[JB]

Re: All you Rummy supporters

Yawn.

 

[12Footer]

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[Plainsman]

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[txswinner]

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Yep, you were the almighty Rummy supporters and now look what you respond with. I guess told you so would be mean.

 

[JB]

Re: All you Rummy supporters

Can it, Txs.

I know Don Rumsfeld. I worked for him. . .remember?

If all you can do is smear and slander it is clear that you have no facts, only vicious gossip.

 

[waterinthefuel]

Re: All you Rummy supporters

If you want to talk about people bad for this country you should look no further than Billy bob Clinton.

I loved Rummy, he stuck with his guns until he lost his job. Clinton reminded me of an airport windsock, he was always erect and pointing whichever way the wind was blowing at the time.

 

[Boomyal]

Re: All you Rummy supporters

The only problem with Rumsfeld is that he tried to do his job with one hand tied behind his back. Tied I might add, by the anti-war American Left.

He should have stepped out of the box and proceeded regardless of the Liberal naysayers.

 

[Haut Medoc]

Re: All you Rummy supporters

Chickenhawks shouldn't start wars......

 

[PW2]

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At least finally someone is being held accountable for their performance within this administration.

It's a start.

 

[steve201]

Re: All you Rummy supporters

Look...let me tell you that there is nobody here that was in those offices listening to what was going on. For all we know Rummy was a scapegoat for what was going on..I do remember Rummy had wanted to turn in his letter of resignation several times but was refused by the prez.. but give him credit where credit is due...he turned the military that was debilitated and incompetent into a lean accurate fighting machine, even with a very small military budget, problems with old eqpt. and a real problem with recruitment. Rummy wasn't a bad secdef...he was just asked to do an impossible job under impossible circumstances...I'd like to see one of you arm chair quarterbacks try to do the job he had...plus go to a war that may have been trumped up, but remember ..they went in and within 10 days had the entire country defeated and rolling into bagdad....and also remember ...he doesn't tell the prez to go to war...that is the job of the prez and the Senate and Congress with info from the intelligence assets..which by the way was completely gutted from the clintonian empire and left ineffective at best.........Secdef has no input on what the prez does....his job is to build/maintain a fighting military......
now my comment is ...if you were in the secdef's office and know what was going on...then you have a right to b#tch...if not...give him the respect he deserved for doing an outstanding job under difficult circumstances..and I'm not a real fan of rummy...but I do respect him for what he had to do.......ok...off my soap box.....8)

 

[BoatBuoy]

Re: All you Rummy supporters

You mean we went to war with completely gutted intelligence assets? No wonder we didn't find any WMD's. It's a wonder we found Iraq.

 

[KaGee]

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Glad to see you are on top of current events. What's that the libs say>? Oh yea..OLD NEWS.

 

[treedancer]

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Steve201

he turned the military that was debilitated and incompetent into a lean accurate fighting machine,


The United States has had two examples of American military power on George W. Bush's watch that have been spectacularly successful what is even more ironic is Bush fought these wars with the military Bill Clinton left him. The first Bush defense budget went into effect on Oct. 1, 2002 on Oct 2001-the war in Afghanistan started .

Read this quote by **** Cheney during the 2000 campaign .

(A commander-in-chief leads the military built by those who came before him," then-vice presidential candidate **** Cheney said during the 2000 campaign. "There is little that he or his defense secretary can do to improve the force they have to deploy. It is all the work of previous administrations. Decisions made today shape the force of tomorrow).

Here is something to ponder (the Clinton administration actually spent more money on defense than the previous administration of President George H.W. Bush. Remember that George the first, had a little war called desert storm to contend with also.

The smaller outlays during the first Bush administration were developed and approved by then-Defense Secretary Cheney and then-Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Colin Powell).
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Steve201

they went in and within 10 days had the entire country defeated and rolling into bagdad....and also remember ...he doesn't tell the prez to go to war...that is the job of the prez and the Senate and Congress with info from the intelligence assets..Which by the way was completely gutted from the clintonian empire and left ineffective at best.........

They sure did do that ,with President Clintons army.

On the gutting of the military see above, now into the intelligence to go into Iraq=


http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20060.../intelligence-policy-and-the-war-in-iraq.html

Here is a good read from PAUL R. PILLAR, he served as National Intelligence Officer for the Near East and South Asia from 2000 to 2005.he pretty well debunks what you have stated.

Here is what he has to say about the Administrations use of the available intelligence and it comes from someone that was actually in the field.

<<As the national intelligence officer for the Middle East, I was in charge of coordinating all of the intelligence community's assessments regarding Iraq; the first request I received from any administration policymaker for any such assessment was not until a year into the war.

<< The administration used intelligence not to inform decision-making, but to justify a decision already made. It went to war without requesting -- and evidently without being influenced by -- any strategic-level intelligence assessments on any aspect of Iraq.>>

Don’t look like any intelligence was gutted to me, looks like it was misused, to make ends meet a preconceived plan.

 

[Plainsman]

Re: All you Rummy supporters

Tree are you saying that slick willy did not cut the numbers of troops? IF it had been at the levels before he cut them, we could have sent more into Iraq and Afghanistan. But hind site is 20/20, isn't it?

 

[PW2]

Re: All you Rummy supporters

Tree are you saying that slick willy did not cut the numbers of troops? IF it had been at the levels before he cut them, we could have sent more into Iraq and Afghanistan. But hind site is 20/20, isn't it?

Iraq was a war of choice. There was no imminent threat of Iraq attacking us. If we were bound to go in, but weren't ready, whatever the reason we weren't ready, we should have gotten ready before we went.

 

[Haut Medoc]

Re: All you Rummy supporters

HMMMMMM......
That actually sounds logical......

 

[JB]

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It is amazing how people with 20-20 hindsight seem to have 0-0 foresight yet view themselves as qualified critics and intel analysts.

This troll has run it's course.

 

[JB]

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I have decided to unlock this thread. I locked it just after receiving a bitter complaint from a member about the confrontational tone and style of too many political threads. This is a confrontational thread.

Keep it civil, don't call names or make personal attacks.

 

[RubberFrog]

Re: All you Rummy supporters

I'm impressed.