Mercruiser 485 I/O overheats all the time

ddiebold

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4Winns 1982 Boat that runs good yet, but engine does not cool. Closed loop heat exchanger on engine. It seems I can never dissapate the heat being generated by the engine fast enough. Any suggestions as to a fix, or is this just a bad marine engine design and there is not fix???:%

Dave

Houston, Texas
 

Don S

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Re: Mercruiser 485 I/O overheats all the time

When was the last time you replaced the raw water pump impeller?
Those are a maintenance item that should be replaced every couple of years.
Could also be a bad thermostat, did you check it?
Any kinks or plugs in the hoses, pickups or anything?
How about the exhaust manifold and riser, are they plugged up due to age? Another maintenance item.
 

paulie0735

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Re: Mercruiser 485 I/O overheats all the time

don's pointed out the obvious stuff, if you have already checked those than my question is, is the cooling system factory? if it is than the short answer is something is not right, if its an after market setup than get in touch with the cooling system manufacturer and ask them for a fitting diagram. Over the 25 years any kind of back-yard modification to the cooling system could have been performed. If it’s the factory setup than get the book and start at the pick up and work your way through the total system. good luck.
 

andy1canada

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Re: Mercruiser 485 I/O overheats all the time

Howdy Dave!

I'm no mechanic, and certainly Don and the boys give sage advice, but I do know a little about these engines.

There's a coupla' other issues with these engines that should be addressed if you want to run them with minimum grief; one in particular is specifically related to the cooling system. Your problem however, might be related to something else.

Your engine is a trumped-up "470" Merc. The 470 was produced from 1976 to 1989 and Merc pumped out a whack of em'. It was the only marine inboard/sterndrive block (aluminum with cast/sleeves) that Merc designed and built themselves; all others were automotive based blocks. The cast iron head is from a '460'-Ford. If memory serves, it was also known as the 485, 488, 165, 170, 3.7LX, 190, as well as whole nother' class of names invented by owners and mechanics alike. Some love-em'... some hate-m'...
They crank out serious horsepower for a small engine. Say what they will, I'd bet the 4-barrel version probably boasted the best power-to-weight ratio of any I/O in history.

When Merc started producing them in 76', they included closed cooling as standard equipment.

Problem #1. - the 3-inch diameter heat-exchanger was barely adequate to cool the engine under normal operating conditions, let alone when it was working hard. With an aluminum block and a cast iron head - overheating these things equals - head-gaskets popping like balloons at Billy's birthday party.
Merc knew about the problem but (if memory serves) they took a long, long time to address it. Which they finally did by replacing the 3" heat-exchanger with a 4" diameter jobby that pretty much solved that problem. You want the 4-inch heat exchanger!

Aside from the regular things that Don and the boys mentioned, impeller, manifolds etc...you may also want to do the alternator conversion on your engine.

Problem #2 ...Yep... the water-cooled voltage regulator/stator setup on these engines wass another one of Merc's famous brain-farts... Fortunately, it's not a big deal to bolt-on a regular 1-wire marine alternator to these things.

You should also keep an eye on your camshaft water-pump seals.

Problem #3... My guess is, when the '470' engineers at Merc were all sittin' around after work one Friday afternoon (drinkin' beer, smokin' crack, droppin'-acid and listening to old Black Sabath records...) one of em' had an epiphany and came up with the cam-shaft seal idea. The seals tend to leak after varying length of service and can let coolant into the engine block. Not good. Fortunately, there's good info out there on how to replace these things yourself, if your reasonably good with a wrench. It can be a cheap fix.

You also may want to do the Petronix ignition conversion, although some guy's prefer the simplicity and security of breaker points.

Do a search on the net for Breezeworks and if the "470" Forum is still going, join it. There's a whack of '470' guys on there who are very knowlegable about these things; I learned a lot there.

As I mentioned in a previous post, I recall a couple of guys on that forum who did some upgrades to their 470's (port/polish the head, roller-rocker's, ignition upgrade etc,) and probably pushed these sucker's to 225/hp or more. Imagine that from a package that weighs in at about 650/lbs.

Good luck with your mill!

Cheers,
Terry
 

Don S

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Problem #3... My guess is, when the '470' engineers at Merc were all sittin' around after work one Friday afternoon (drinkin' beer, smokin' crack, droppin'-acid and listening to old Black Sabath records..

Uhhhhh, I think you will find that's what they did while they were AT work, not after work :^
 

180shabah

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Re: Mercruiser 485 I/O overheats all the time

how many is a "whack"?
 

Lyndy

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Re: Mercruiser 485 I/O overheats all the time

DHPMARINE said:
might be three gaggles

DHP

Got it wrong DHP. 10 Wicks to a Wack. Sheesh! :}
 

andy1canada

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Re: Mercruiser 485 I/O overheats all the time

Howdy!

A 'whack' is adequately described in the North of 49'-Canuck-Lingo Dictionary as: 1) something you have a whole lot of, 2) copious quantity of anything.

Correct usage:
Example #1: when your pickup is so full of beer that your tires are riding on the rims, you are said to be hauling - a whack of brewsky's

Example #2: Some owners of '470-Mercs' tend to experiance - a whack of problems trying to keep them running.

Example #3: During moments of extreme frustration or confusion, some '470-Merc' owners tend to consume - a whack of beer in a rigorous effort to drown their sorrows.

Example #4: (quoting famous Chinese philosopher: Confuse-us) "Man who buy boat, pour whack of money into big-hole-in-water!"

Again, I digress...

Where was I? Oh ya... trying to say something useful.

For all you '470' guy's out there, here's the link to Breezeworks.

http://www.breezeworks.net/

Just clik your way to the message board and sign up and start reading about other people's problems with their 470's... and presto! Before long, you too will be consuming - a whack of beer as you stand over your engine with that blank expession on your face, asking yourself, "why am I pissing so much money into this boat?"

Cheers,
Terry
 

Lyndy

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8) Classic comeback andy1canada! 8)
 

mike176

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andy1canada said:
Problem #3... My guess is, when the '470' engineers at Merc were all sittin' around after work one Friday afternoon (drinkin' beer, smokin' crack, droppin'-acid and listening to old Black Sabath records...) one of em' had an epiphany and came up with the cam-shaft seal idea. The seals tend to leak after varying length of service and can let coolant into the engine block. Not good. Fortunately, there's good info out there on how to replace these things yourself, if your reasonably good with a wrench. It can be a cheap fix.

i just replaced the two seals on mine 2 weeks ago ran me about $80 in parts.
 

mike176

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Re: Mercruiser 485 I/O overheats all the time

atleat they where smart enough to put the second one in so the water flows out the weephole insted of flooding your crankcase with water
 
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