Sweat Shops

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Fly said:
2nd, 12footer, I read two pages of the news and it really didn't need to be infiltrated for a year or two and I'm sure no one wanted to read two pages of the crape.

3rd, when the federal marshals were putting them on the buses to take them away there was an up roar from the public as to, "how could they seperate the people from their children?"

I say "process them and send them back to where they came from."

Fly Rod, it's kewl.Besides, your post here peaked my interest enough to "look into it" for myself.

And I know the news release I posted is wordy, but I just wanted to illuststrate how the media outlets spin stuff. No need to read the whole piece... The DATE alone should suffice. March 3???
It took whatever source that long to write it's anti-admin angle? I coulda spun it like Cindy in one day.
 

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Tom. People who are here on visas are not illegal, they are not immigrants, they are legal visitors. We are short tens of thousands of qualified RNs in this country.

The laws about political asylum are confusing for sure, Pointer. Here again we need to be sure we understand the difference between people who are here legally and those who aren't. You seem to be lumping them together.

Just how is the mess Bush's fault? Congress has steadfastly refused to enact any of his proposals in regard to immigration. . . legal and illegal. This is a hot issue and those wimps in Congress are afraid they might offend a voter. At least my President has a plan.

Our history is written by immigrants from different cultures coming here and starting at the bottom to achieve the American Dream. They have always competed with people who were already here and they always will. Unfortunately, they have almost all had to overcome prejudice to succeed unless they were western European. It has been that way for 400 years. . . and it is Bush's fault??
 

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Jb

Its all legal but the intent is bent at best

We are not talking about full RN nurses BUT lower level staff LPN and lower

If you want a health care job around here you will go up against people bought in on legal visas that will work well below the wage that a FREE MARKET would provide in this area for that job


It was not the intent of the law to bring in staff to dorm in low quality houseing so they can work for less money than the people who live here have to pay for houseing and other costs


Tommays
 

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There is very little in this thread that addresses the other criminals in this matter. The employer. That company and its top management must be held accountable for their infractions. And should be prostituted to the full extent of the law.
 

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Always Bush's fault, his fault that it rains, his fault that the sun shines. The weatherman says rain and it snows, Bush's fault. 8) 8)
 

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hey limited time!! U want the owners to comit another crime,"Prostitution" "YIKES"!!!8)
 

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Fly said:
hey limited time!! U want the owners to comit another crime,"Prostitution" "YIKES"!!!8)

:):):)"Prostitution”….. “Prosecution” ..............seems to me the difference is a 3 piece suit.;);):)
 

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Limited-Time said:
Fly said:
hey limited time!! U want the owners to comit another crime,"Prostitution" "YIKES"!!!8)

:):):)"Prostitution”….. “Prosecution” ..............seems to me the difference is a 3 piece suit.;);):)

...and a sheepskin :%
 

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JB,

My point is one of his directives as the President, not media devined mandates but outlined as part of his job discription is to guard our boarders. We have somewhere around 1 million illegals breaking into, being smuggled, or misrepresenting their way into our country illegally each year. Most threw the mexican corridor.

This is a constitutional mandate. He has done very little to stem the tide. He has met with Fox, and subsequently Fox put out a video and handbook on how to enter the US illegally and how to bleed off some free services. I guess that discussion didn't work as planned.

For four years he had a republican house and senate. Regardless of Mehlman, a sitting president is the leader of any given party. He has the bully pulpit. He has been ineffective. As the leader of the party he couldn't get funding passed when they own all three houses? I smell a lack of determination. He creates an amnesty program for those who have already broke the law, making those fools who actually tried to follow our laws look like suckers for trying to follow our laws.

I am not saying he is solely responsible for the situation but used none of his influence or power to stem the tide other than superficial BS. So many have come here that they are now a voting block. Imagine having lobbyists for ILLEGAL aliens. We do. His inaction has in effect created unfunded mandates on local and state governments to educate, feed, house, and in many cases incarsarate. More police, fire, healthcare and public works costs are incurred. His amnesty program, and that is what it is, is useless until he turns off the faucet that has near millions of illegals coming into our country each year. What is the point of emptying a tub with a teaspoon if the faucet is still on? He has done little or nothing other than the superficial to stop the root cause of this illegal immigration. How much political capital would it have taken to eliminate anchor babies. Even Canada eliminated that retarded loophole.

I blame him for not having the conviction to stand up for the simple requirements of the office. And no, the democrats are not better, in fact, if it is possible to imagine, they are worse.

I stand up for our President when I think he is getting a raw deal. I do this often. In this case the President is giving the CITIZENS of the United States, no respect whatsoever.
 

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Who says Americans would not want the jobs that the illegals do??

Not so in New Bedford where the unemployment rate is one of the highest at 8%. On tonites TV news the locals and people from surrounding comunities are starting to fill them 360 jobs at that garment factory.

Anybody looking for a job?
 

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Okay, Pointer.

Now, just exactly what would you have him do?

He has added a thousand Border Patrol Officers.

He has put the Nat'l Guard to work assisting the Border Patrol and building the fence.

He has put the Nat'l Security people to work finding and exporting illegals and prosecuting employers.

He has proposed broad immigration reform not including amnesty to Congress. Those jerks would rather do nothing than step up.

By your logic it is my fault for not persuading a cowardly Congress to take action that will cost them their jobs.

Come to think of it, that makes it your fault, too.

BTW, illegal, undocumented persons may not vote. Misguided leftys can hire lobbyists to lobby for anything they dang well please.

I am sure getting tired of post after post whining about how "everybody is against me and the sky is falling" from citizens of the greatest nation in history, with the highest standard of living and quality of life in history.

How about counting your blessings for a change??
 

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Well for starters, REAL penalties for hiring illegals. So if someone shows up for a job with a social security number that starts with a 398 or other numbers indicating they were born here in the 60's or 70's but still haven't mastered the english language or can't read or understand a stop sign, and you still hire them. It shows intent. You can go to almost any, and I mean any manufactuer, warehouse, larger builder, small builder, and find illegals. You don't even have to leave a 10 mile radius of any populated area over 5000 people. Anywhere in the US. And we nailed what 5 offenders in the whole country. This is their best effort? This was for the media's benefit only.

How about a bounty for illegal identification. Based on the drain on our infrastructure, $1000 a head would be a windfall for most cities.

Second, any municipality who fails to adhere to national immigration policy will be identified, penalized, and judges failing to adjudicate the law consistant with its guildlines will also be prosecuted. Judges willfully disregarding the law are crimminals. Safe haven cities. GONE!

Utilize police, fire, building inspectors, teachers, meter maids, garbage men, whoever and empower them, no mandate that they identify to the proper attorities suspected illegals.

All "guest workers" will need to have a sponsor who will be responsible for their activities.

Anchor babies - GONE... Come on even Canada saw the falicy involved in this little, but well known, loophole.

How about letting the boarder patrol fire back when fired upon.

One million made it in and you think one thousand new agents to cover what a thousand miles is going to be enough. Do they work 24hrs a day / 7 days a week? How about 20 thousand.

How about making Mexico responsible for their own people? The ongoing corruption that is the hallmark of mexican government has become historic. Illegals found to have committed violent crime should be shipped to Russia. We should cut a deal for them to house our crimminals in Syberia. They would love to build and house these low lifes for a fraction of the cost that we currently pay. That should be a bit of a deterent.

Hows that for a start. Once you make it clear that this isn't a health spa for illegals, then you can claim you made your "best" effort.

I have supported President Bush financially during the first election and made it clear when solicited for the second term that I would not support someone who wouldn't protect our boarders. Not that my humble opinion means anything at all. I know that. I don't remember saying the sky is falling. I didn't even say that these illegals were bad people. They are poor folks looking for work. 1-10-100000-10,000,000 at what point do we actually do something.

JB exactly how tough would it have been to get anchor babies written out of the law? When we made "Public Service" a "Job" is when things started going downhill. How many more generations of Kennedy's will this country have to endure. When people sell their decisions in congress for votes, we have lost our representative form of government. And for this we are all to blame.
 

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Bull!

You are talking about laws, Pointer. The President does not make laws, Congress does.

To use the failures of Congress to explain why the President is at fault is less credible than using his religion to explain why he is at fault for Katrina.
 

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The only law I spoke of was changing the citizenship clause involved with giving birth in the US. The rest is enforcement of existing laws and vigorous application of laws already existing. And if you think that getting this law passed based on political will, with control of both houses of congress, which would show dedication and committment to sharpen our immigration policy and prevent ongoing and known abuses is beyond the presidents ability, ok. Let me get this straight, he could get congress to committ to a war, but not change citizenship definitions.
 

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Sounds good to me Pointer. Finally someone willing to attack the problem at both ends. Not sure if it's GWB's fault but I like the plan anyway.
 
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