1948-49 3 hp goodyear made by gale

[boatboy]

I recently bought a very clean 1948-49 3 hp goodyear outboard made by Gale-- It fires with a little gas in the carb but when i put gas in the self contained tank it leaks gas from top of carb and won't start --CAN SOMEONE HELP !

 

[tmcalavy]

Re: 1948-49 3 hp goodyear made by gale

Gas out of the top means the float isn't working or the needle valve/seat under it it not working. Simple fix. Pull the carb and clean it. Start with a clean work area, well ventilated, and arrange the parts in order on a white paper of some sort (I use old newspaper). You can clean it with spray can carb cleaner, but it's better to immerse it and let it soak overnight if you can. If the float is saturated and not floating, the needle valve won't close and you the overflow. Old cork floats can be recoated with spray shellac or fuel-proof dope from hobby shops, as long as it's in one piece. If it's not in one piece you can make another from cork. Might also want to clean the tank and fuel line while you are doing this, again with carb cleaner. Good luck, those are good little outboards. Gale was the generic mfg. division of E-rude/Johnson.

 

[steelespike]

Re: 1948-49 3 hp goodyear made by gale

While your carb most likely needs a rebuild you might look at the carb top.There is a pin that sticks out.It is a primer.On some of those motors the knob on the front activates a lever to press the pin when you turn the knob counterclockwise.If this is turned then the float won't close.We used to call it the tickle pin because you could reach in and tickle it to prime the carb.

 

[boatboy]

Re: 1948-49 3 hp goodyear made by gale

Gas out of the top means the float isn't working or the needle valve/seat under it it not working. Simple fix. Pull the carb and clean it. Start with a clean work area, well ventilated, and arrange the parts in order on a white paper of some sort (I use old newspaper). You can clean it with spray can carb cleaner, but it's better to immerse it and let it soak overnight if you can. If the float is saturated and not floating, the needle valve won't close and you the overflow. Old cork floats can be recoated with spray shellac or fuel-proof dope from hobby shops, as long as it's in one piece. If it's not in one piece you can make another from cork. Might also want to clean the tank and fuel line while you are doing this, again with carb cleaner. Good luck, those are good little outboards. Gale was the generic mfg. division of E-rude/Johnson.

 

[boatboy]

Re: 1948-49 3 hp goodyear made by gale

THANKS THAT WAS HELPFULL--Carb is clean and fuel lines are clean. With no fuel in carb the pin on top of carb is all the way down as it supposed to be---BUT..when I open the fuel petcock to allow fuel to flow--the pin on top of carb comes all the way UP, and without priming, the fuel leaks from top of carb.There is slight resistance to downward pressure on the pin indicating that the float is floating. I'M STILL GETTING FUEL LEAKING FROM TOP OF CARB WITHOUT PRIMING AND MOTOR WON'T START OR EVEN POP..UNLESS I INJECT FUEL DIRECTLY INTO CARB TO MAKE IT RUN FOR A FEW SECONDS.I dont know what stops the fuel from flowing after priming. Does anyone know where I can get a manual for this motor? Thanks for the trouble. Al--

 

[tmcalavy]

Re: 1948-49 3 hp goodyear made by gale

Google Ken Cook marine manuals...he may have one for your Gale. I'm guess the needle/seat under the float isn't closing completely...either because it's worn (more likely marginally dirty) or because the float isn't floating enough to close the needle/seat. Again the float may need to be dried out and shellacked or just replaced. Don't believe your float is adjustable as some of the later models were.

 

[steelespike]

Re: 1948-49 3 hp goodyear made by gale

Does the carb still require a squirt of fuel even after flooding?
If you invert the carb you shouldn't be able to blow into the gas inlet.As allready stated a float or float valve
problem.

 

[boatboy]

Re: 1948-49 3 hp goodyear made by gale

When the carb leaks gas from top-- the motor will not start.
I tried a squirt of starter fluid directly into cylinder which will make the motor run for only a few secondsThe carb is clean

 

[boatboy]

Re: 1948-49 3 hp goodyear made by gale

YES--we have a problem with the float valve not the float itself. will a carb rebuild kit solve this problem ??? Where can I get the rebuild kit?? Al

 

[tmcalavy]

Re: 1948-49 3 hp goodyear made by gale

Most outboard shops/marinas aren't going to carry that carb kit. Try some of the outfits that specialize in old outboards...there's a pretty good list on the links page at www.aomci.org
They'll need your model/serial number so they can cross reference to an Evinrude-Johnson part number. I've had good experiences with most all the ones listed there, especially the one in Milwaukee.

 

[steelespike]

Re: 1948-49 3 hp goodyear made by gale

I just got my actual Gale service manual.covers 50-56 though it states procedures cover most 3,5 and 12 hp motors prior to 1950.
Slide the needle into the float until the lock on top of the float catches in the top groove in the needle.Proper float level is top of float 1/2 inch below top of float bowl in the closed position.It appears there is a bottom lock to hold the float in place on the needle.
Inlet seat is not replaceable.My thoughts are you may be able to dress the seat with something like valve grinding compound and a tool fashioned to dress the seat.You might be able to use the needle to lap the seat and needle together.I would keep the lapping to a minimum. Check with the guys at the aomci.org site.
Just to double check Goodyear model # is 025-3563
Gale # 1G6

 

[boatboy]

Re: 1948-49 3 hp goodyear made by gale

I just got my actual Gale service manual.covers 50-56 though it states procedures cover most 3,5 and 12 hp motors prior to 1950.
Slide the needle into the float until the lock on top of the float catches in the top groove in the needle.Proper float level is top of float 1/2 inch below top of float bowl in the closed position.It appears there is a bottom lock to hold the float in place on the needle.
Inlet seat is not replaceable.My thoughts are you may be able to dress the seat with something like valve grinding compound and a tool fashioned to dress the seat.You might be able to use the needle to lap the seat and needle together.I would keep the lapping to a minimum. Check with the guys at the aomci.org site.
Just to double check Goodyear model # is 025-3563
Gale # 1G6

 

[boatboy]

Re: 1948-49 3 hp goodyear made by gale

Thank you Spike. I'm going to pull the carb again to see if the float is where it should be. I ordered a manual from Ken Cook (thank you Tom) It has not arrived yet.
hey--you guys have been great!!
Allan--

 

[F_R]

Re: 1948-49 3 hp goodyear made by gale

Spike probably got it right. The seat is integral with the carb body and is not replaceable. Try gently lapping it with some fine compound. What is common though is the seat is water-corroded and grossly out of shape and the lapping won't help. I have had luck in re drilling and reseating the seat. Only try this as a last resort on a hopeless carb, because you might fail and the carb will then be junk.

 

[steelespike]

Re: 1948-49 3 hp goodyear made by gale

I had a thought,Maybe it would be possible to coat the seat with something like gas tank liner like they do to old cars.Clean the seat good and apply a dab of coating and then lightly lap the seat after it hardens to even it out.Perhaps you could coat the needle with silicone to keep it from sticking and then press it into the coating
to create a seat as it is curing.Just a thought.

 

[tmcalavy]

Re: 1948-49 3 hp goodyear made by gale

Did you verify that the float is set correctly on the needle/seat pin? If you pull the carb off, pull the pin up tight and blow through the gas inlet on the bottom/side, no air should bypass the seat and get into the carb bowl. If that seal is tight, the needle/seat is okay. If the seat is okay but the float is toast or saturated it will float but not enough to close the needle/seat. Sometimes you can remove the old cork floats, let them dry out in the sun for a few days, reseal/recoat them with spray shellac and they are good to go again. Other times I have just made a new float from piece of cork...cut a similar size piece, shape it, drill it for the pin/rod and seal it real good.

 

[boatboy]

Re: 1948-49 3 hp goodyear made by gale

"He who says it cant be done is interupted by the man who is doing it" I'm determined to get this nice motor going so I can run it on my classic Pea pod.

The carb is clean
the needle seat is clean and does not look corroded
carb leaks fuel from top
all fuel lines are clean
I NOTICE THAT THE FLOAT AND CARB GASKET LOOK NEW AND I WONDER IF MY PROBLEM IS WITH THE FLOAT POSITION. THERE SEEMS TO BE NO ADJUSTMENT --The float is 1/2 " below top of carb in the closed position. MAYBE SOMEONE USED THE WRONG FLOAT!
THE MOTOR WILL RUN FOR A SECOND WITH STARTER FLUID SQUIRT DIRECTLY IN CYL.---
SHOULD I BE ABLE TO START THE MOTOR EVEN WITH THE FUEL LEAK???? sounds like I better start looking for a new carb! any idea where to look other than ebay ? anyone know of another model with same carb?

 

[steelespike]

Re: 1948-49 3 hp goodyear made by gale

Should be able to run by letting the float fill,turn off supply start the motor and open the supply.Motor may not stay ahead of the supply but at least you could run it to see if it pumps water etc.
You could also remove the top, let the gas in to see if the float lifts to the proper height. Of course you may have to guide it without the top support.
You may want to lap it just a touch. After lapping you may be able to look at the seat to see how the contact is.
Maybe remove the needle from the float and check it for bends.
And then there is the possibility the float is saturated
and not floating as it should.Even if it reaches proper height it may not exert enough force to stop the flow.

 

[tmcalavy]

Re: 1948-49 3 hp goodyear made by gale

My hunch is still that the float isn't buoyant enough. Does the gas flow stop if you pull the float pin up tight and hold it there? If so, the float ain't floating enough. Dry it out, reseal it with spray shellac and try it again, or just make one from cork. If you want to find a replacement carb pretty quickly, post a free ad in the Webvertize ads at www.aomci.org