Gelcoat or paint?

dhillis

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Re: Gelcoat or paint?

How much water/weather resistance are we talking? Is it really going to make a significant difference? I'm more concerned about the water resistance than anything. I don't really understand why it wouldn't be water resistance, unless it is so porous that it lets water through its coating over the existing gelcoat.

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Everything is a compromise, as products are formulated for better properties they tend to become more difficult to use, difficult may not be the correct word though. When you add other things to regain some of the user freindliness, it tends to degrade the product. Most things you add to gel coat to thin it are clear, which means you are reducing the % of pigment in the gel coat mix. Gel coats rely on the pigments for most of their UV resistance, when there is less pigment the base resin is being exposed to more UV rays, this means more color change and loss of gloss sooner. Most clear products (incuding paint) tend to turn yellow on their own, so you are adding something that will turn yellow in the sun. Many of these additives are also less resistant to water, so when immeresed for long peroids of time they may become cloudy or blister sooner than unreduced gel coat. There is no way of telling just how much it will degrade the gel coat, it depends on the exact brand and type of gel coat, the color and how much is added. Sometimes you will only notice it in the lab when accelarated weathering tests are done with each mix side by side, other times you see the results in less than a year, like when a repair is made on a new boat using poor techniques.

Porosity isn't really the problem with water resistance (it can be one though), but can be something you run into with gel coat. Water will permeate almost everything (even non porous gel coat) and is a very good solvent, when water is absorbed by gel coat, it may, or may not create problems and marine gel coats have been rigorously tested for blistering, cracking and weathering. They have not been tested with all of the different concoctions that are used to thin it though, some have fewer detrimental effects than others, but none make it better.
Patchaid type products are formulated with high quality base resins similar to what's used in the gel coat, so they typically don't reduce the weatherability of it as much as other solvents do.

If you add only enough of whatever you are going to use to make the gel coat usable and keep the boat on the trailer and out of the sun when not in use, you may never notice a difference.
 
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dhillis

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Thanks again ondarvr.

Well this last batch that I sprayed seemed to harder very well (using approximately 40% reducer). I was also very surprised that it did not dull the color or gloss whatsoever, compared to my other test samples. I guess it is just a matter of durability and longevity at this point. I will begin spraying the hull tomorrow morning and will report back with my observations and updates for other people interested in doing this.

Dan
 

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Well, I found the right spray gun (pressurized cup) for my job. It sprays VERY well. I was getting along very well and mixed the coloring agent for a light tan/cream color. Well what do you think white gelcoat and brown coloring agent produce? Well, it looked tan in the gallon jug and I sprayed the starboard half of the hull. I let it cure overnight and what did I find in the morning: PINK!

To say the least I am furious! To top it off, my gelcoat supplier is out of gelcoat. So I ended up buying some white polyurethane paint. I'm sanding down the gelcoat I just sprayed and I will spray the paint towards the end of the week. I'm not even going to tint, it will stay white.

Dan
 

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Sorry to hear about the color, not too many pink boats out there, sounds like you had everything else dialed in pretty good though.

Which spray gun did you get?
 

dhillis

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Yeah, I about died when I opened the garage door and saw half a pink boat! My fiance jokingly said "Well, now it can be half mine and half yours" which gave me a pretty good laugh considering how upset I was about the whole deal.

I bought the gun at Lowe's... here is a link to it:

http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=220964-1126-KBS53000AV&lpage=none

For $50, it sprays pretty darn good. It also came with a little cleaning kit with brushes and such. I only had to reduce the gelcoat 5% and probably didn't even need it, but did it anyway.

Dan
 

dhillis

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Since I am going to be painting, is it absolutey necessary to use a primer? It should be noted that the painting surface is gelcoat with all scrapes, nicks and such filled in and sanded smooth.

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I/O WALDO

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Interlux Briteside primer, followed by Interlux Toplac silicon copolymer resin system gives the ultimate in a deep ,lustrous,high gloss finish easy to apply even a dhillis can do it!
 

dhillis

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OK, well I already bought paint and was wondering if it's necessary to have a primer. My supplier said I did not need a primer as long as the painting surface has been prepped very well (which it has). Is the main purpose of primer to "fill" aged surfaces, or does it help bond the paint to the surface?

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I would thin prime if I wanted an even gloss,less sags,less potential for fisheye and o.peel.and generally a better,less trouble final coat.(opinion with experience)
 

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Gel coat is a very good substrate for paint, it bonds extremely well without primer. What you may run into though, is a noticable ring or shape where filler has been used (depending on the type of filler). This doesn't always happen and I never use primer unless I need to fill all the little imperfections in a beat up surface.
 

dhillis

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ondarvr, that is what I wanted to hear. I used Evercoat Formula 27 filler. If the surface had imperfections, they are no longer, as I filled everything. "If" the filler does leave an outline of its existance on the topcoat, will another coat cover that up?

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If you do see it, sometimes a second coat will cover it, but I haven't used that filler.
Since you don't mind a few test sprays, just try an area that has some filler and see what happens.

If you sand through the gel coat and into the glass, you will need to prime those areas, there will be tiny pin holes in the laminate that will create big problem when you paint over it if not primed.
 

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I remember reading that the primer for Interlux Brightside is not used for adhesion. It is used to fill imperfections and provide a smooth surface. However I would make sure that the surface is as clean as possible and has been sanded prior to application. All the literature I have read about it stresses it.
 
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