vhf interference

dsujen

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I have and icom ic-m302 vhf and an eagle cuda 168 ex fishfinder. 2 yrs. ago they worked fine with the 8 foot whip. Last year i redid all the wiring on the boat and installed a 5240 r shakes. antenna. Now when i use the f.f and vhf, the vhf makes a loud chugging noise in time with the moving screen on the f.f. Ran the boat all last year with just the f.f on or the vhf on, not both at the same time. I tried everything. I seperated the ant. wire from the rest of the wires. I isolated the ground going to the vhf. I even removed the antenna and placed it as far outside of the boat the ant. wire allowed and I hooked the vhf direct to a battery ouside of the boat. Same thing happened : loud chugging noises in the vhf while f.f. on. Last month I emailed shakespeare co. and they told me to buy the galaxy 5400xt antenna and it will solve my problem. As much as I didn't want to replace a new ant. with a new more expensive ant. I did it. I just installed it today and it does the same thing as the cheap ant. What should i buy now? My vhf is only 2 years old. The f.f. age is unknown.
 

bruceb58

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Re: vhf interference

Disconnect the antenna and ground the antenna input to the radio. This will isolate it to a radio or antenna problem.

If the radio still has the noise. Wrap aluminum foil around the radio. if you still hear the noise, it is coming in through the power. Might also try wrapping foil arounf the Fish Finder just to see if that helps. If the foil reduced the noise, there is not much you can do becuase it is a poor design issue that is the problem.

If it is down to the power, make sure the power leads going to the VHF radio are twisted with eachother and sent all the way back to the battery running it far away from other power lines. i would actually do the same with the fish finder.
 

Texasmark

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Re: vhf interference

Couple of things here to add to Bruce's excellent suggestions.

You changed two things and this problem occurred. With that said, you don't know which is the culprit.

There are two types of emissions: conducted and radiated.

Conducted emissions come through the power lines and radiated come into the "front end" of your receiver, either via the antenna, or by some unshielded circuit receptive to the signal or one of it's harmonics. The closer to the antenna the easier to have them interfere, but the frequency is higher there which also makes it harder for interference to bother you.

VHF antennas are tuned to VHF frequencies which are in the 100's of MHz whereas your depth finder operates at 200 kHz.......1000:1 difference. I don't see how the internal electronics of your sounder can be at fault as these are millivolt signals and have to have a way to get out so that your antenna can pick them up. It is possible that you are getting some radiation from the cable that goes to the transducer from the Eagle since you have 200 kHz electromagnetic waves present there which are converted to acostic waves by the transducer.

Don't know the bandwidth of your antenna, but the front ends of radio's can pick up microvolts (10 exp-6 volts) which is not very large. Moving your antenna 30 ft away may not be far enough for a valid test.

If Shakespeare is recommending a different antenna, maybe the bandwidth is tighter which would reduce the signal level of spurious from the Eagle.

In addition to Bruces testing you might put shunt capacitors across the power lines in addition to twisting them together (that he recommended) at about 1-5 turns per inch. A "Ceramic Disc Capacitor" of 1 microfarad, 50 DCWV (from Radio Shack) would be a good choice if the 200 KHz is your culprit. That should be large enough for that low a frequency yet low loss enough to function properly. The leads need to be as short as possible and as close to the units as possible. You can stabilize the body of the disc (from vibration) with RTV stuck to whatever is handy.

The last thing is a "single point" ground/power source (like Burce suggested). Since your radio and Eagle have internal power on-off switches this is easily accomplished. The battery terminals are the source of your power and should be the origin for these two sets of power lines. Single point means that everything that gets power gets it returned in parallel to the power source, especially grounds, rather than in series (daisy chain). A daisy chain adds all the ground currents of all the equipment connected together and sensitive front ends of receivers can pick up this "noise"; power line too but ground is the worse.

Last is is possible to put your original antenna back on for testing purposes. This would at least tell you if your antenna, or rewiring is the culprit.

Mark
 

jurgenscraft

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Re: vhf interference

Good evening
I had a simillar problem some time ago and what worked for me was to have the sounder running off the main battery and the radios and gps working of a independent 120 amp hour battery close up to the radios and gps ,in my case the sepperation of the power supplies did the trick, I also rerouted the wiring for the sounder and the radios. the radios and gps wiring harnesses were on the port side of the boat and the sounder down the staboard side, the antenna cabels are as far away as possible from the sounder . Regards William Wright
 

I/O WALDO

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Re: vhf interference

Is your PL259 connector on the end of the ant.coax properly installed/with a soldered shield? Seems like the problem came when you replaced the antenna.
 

dsujen

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Re: vhf interference

I ripped out the eagle f.f. and installed an old f.f. I had in the garage. I tried it in the drive way and it seems to have done the trick.
 

dsujen

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Re: vhf interference

Took boat out for sea trials and the new old hummingbird f.f. doesn't make any noise through the vhf. However, when I get to moving faster than 15 mph i get bastard readings on depth like 238 ft. in 6 foot waters! Now what?
 

bruceb58

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Re: vhf interference

Depth sounders often don't work well at higher speeds. Too much turbulence and or/air around the transducer. If you have a transom mounted transducer, have some one drive and take a look at the transducer to see if it looks like it is in clear water at that speed.
 
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