Bow seats...

_brad_

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Well, I just bought a 1971 17' Starcraft which had all the seat cushions up front taken out. My questions is, does anyone have any good ideas or tips on how to install some seat cushions at the bow? I dont mind making my own however I dont know what materials would work best and how I should re-cover them...

Any thoughts?
 

papasage

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Re: Bow seats...

a picture of boat would help . plywood and foam usealey 2" to 3 ". marine vinyal preferable lighter color like white or light grey .darker colors is hot to sit on after the sun has shined on them . lighter colors will last longer
decking plywood will be fine . if you are going to wrap them and no seams you should not have water gitting in . to be safe wrap with clear polyetholine . it is avaible at builders supply or walmart .
 

tashasdaddy

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picture would help tremendously, also drill several holes in the plywood, so when you sit on them the vinyl doesn't fart. it lets the air out the back, rather than blowing out your seams.
 

Andy in NY

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brad, i am planning on the same thing this winter, maybe we can colaberate together on this... that is if you are still planning on it. if you have already, lets get in touch maybe you can help me out a bit.
 

Texasmark

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Hey Tas, had to laugh at your comment.....how true, how true.
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I'm thinking my way through this as I type so I may correct myself, but you can see what my thought process was.

Loose cushions will bounce out so you need to secure them. Other thing is, usually the bow area is curved as will the cushions be so, you need to consider that when considering how to secure. Since the rear is square (flat) rather than curved it is easier to hinge there and just as convenient for access below as one hinged on the outerside.

You are going to want to raise the cushion to access the stowage area which is usually beneath, or remove for washing the boat down.....so you have to have a way to do that. Consider the height of the finished cushion (2 1/2 to 3 1/2" depending on foam and plywood thicknesses) and allow that much free space between the cushion form and the rear (dashboard if you will) of the boat where the cushion will pivot. That way you will have room for the cushion to move when you lift it up to the vertical position.

Get a piece of heavy paper and make a form in the shape you want remembering to allow room aft for the cushion to be raised from the front to vertical, hinging from the plywood bottom at the rear.

Several ways to secure: piano hinge, velcro, marine snaps with a flap.

Having had them, I like the idea of snaps with a flap.

Get some 3/8 marine plywood and cut to fit the pattern. Drill several holes in the wood in various places as Tas said.....1-2" would be a good size and 4-6 holes Sand the edges for smoothness and coat with waterproofing.....linseed oil. Let dry.

The SS marine snaps, are like you would use on a top to secure it to a windshield, or gunwale on the aft end, or mooring boat cover. A marine and industrial supply store will have them or get them on here.....get the screw type so you can drill your fiberglass and screw them in.... will need to drill the glass to keep the gellcoat from cracking when you screw them in and an overlay of tape while drilling will help too.
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Go to an automobile upholstery shop and tell them what colors you want and what kind of material you'd prefer. Take the plywood and snaps with you.

Have the shop add a double layered vinyl flap (full cusion width.....less 1" inside edge so it won't be visable when secured) sticking out 2" from the rear (edge) underside of the cushion and have them place a snap (2 or 3 per cushion) near the outer corners and edge of the flap.

Explain to them that you will install the seat vertically, snap the snaps to mates secured in the boat and let it down to horizontal.

Then have one additional flap (say 2" wide and as long as is necessary) as far forward as is convenient with one snap which will secure the front of the cushion. This will snap to a mate you install on the vertical part of the shelf that the cushion rests on if that is the best answer, or whatever works, up front. JUST REMEMBER, WHEN YOU DRILL HOLES. KNOW WHAT'S UNDER THE HATCH YOU ARE DRILLING.....HOLES IN THE HULL AREN'T ALLOWED. Grin

If the cushion moves about too much when finished, you can install some velcro strips to stop it. I don't think I'd trust velcro to be the only method of securing and I think this method is better than a piano hinge due to the length of the cushion you could put too much lateral stress on the rigidly fixed hinge.

I think that'll work. I spent about 30 minutes thinking through this and editing as necessary. If I were to do it this is how I'd do it and I know it'll work.

Good Luck,

Mark
 

Andy in NY

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Re: Bow seats...

mark, i think i would go in a little different direction for mine, as i dont have storage in the bow seats.

but you definatly get an A for effort for that post!

how would you suggest going about this all if i dont have access to an auto upholstry shop? i live out in the middle of nowhere...
 

bekosh

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For my old tri-hull, I measured out the area then bought a couple of Igloo cooler seat cushions. They come with female snaps built in so all you have to do is add the male end of the snap to your boat. They come in many sizes from, L22.63" x W13.25" x H2.75" to L39.38" x W17.25" x H2.75"
http://www.igloocoolers.com/products/FullSize/Accessories
 

Andy in NY

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Re: Bow seats...

thats a great idea... a bit on the expensive side for my taste though...
 

bekosh

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Ya gotta shop around, I got mine for about $20 each at a flea market.
 

Texasmark

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On being in the boonies, can't offer any help that is practical. A heavy duty sewing machine would help (expensive) but then you need to locate the materials. Vinyl is usually sold by the roll if you had to buy it from a supplier and that's overkill.

Might dig around for a shop in a town of your choice. Most cities have a Chamber of Commerce which lists businesses operating in their town and you could locate one that way.

Maybe if you just ask the question on here, like does anyone know of a place that does marine upholstery....you will get your answer and they may stock all kinds of (marine) colors and have other things you need for the marine environment....plus be experienced in building boat upholstery.

Or a www inquiry.

Once you locate one, you might send them the pre-prepared wooden parts with a diagram/instructions for vinyl work. I think that you would have a better chance of getting what you want than if you let them get the wood and build the cushion around it.

After doing my thing (above) I got to thinking that you might want to indicate if you wanted the sides vertical (especially if you used 3" foam....which I personally think is too high) you need to cord the corners. Cording is that strip of vinyl (wrapped over cord made for the purpose and sewn between the top and side pieces of vinyl) that makes the corners straight and look good.

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On how my suggestion fits your requirements, keep one thing in mind. You are installing this on a boat which consistently gets wet which ultimately results in mildew where water can stand.....like under seat cushions. For that reason, whatever course of action you pursue, I'd strongly recommend that you make them removable.

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Thanks Andy

Mark
 

oops!

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Re: Bow seats...

when i redid my uph with storage underneath, i used velcro.
quick, works every time
just make sure when you cut the board it is a proper fit. dont for get to subtract for the width of the vinal. too close and youll rub thru in a month or two. two small and ittl look sloopy.
as soon as i get a cam. ill start postiong picks.
upholsteing is easy. (unless you want to get fancy) you can do most of the boat in a day.

cheers.
and remember...
your thumb and fingers DO NOT go between the vinal, board, and staple gun!
 

oops!

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and as far as the material goes. the local boat uph shops will have tons of allready paid for material. (when they do a job requiring a certain color, they build in the charge for the whole roll, they wont tell you that but, thats what they do) you can uasually buy leftover material in the color you want for cheeep!
in my case. i used that old robins egg blue. he had tons of that stock and was glad to sell me some. (cant remember the price, i think 75 bucks for the works)
 
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