Militec-1

[iwombat]

Re: Militec-1

"We were receiving units that had scored cylinder walls, due to oil failure. I had acquired nine 25HP Johnson outboards from the salvage yard and put together two units as identically as possible. I set the two units in a 750 gallon test tank and ran them for four hours each, overflowing the tank as I went along to provide cooling to the engines. I sprayed MILITEC mixed with regular outboard engine oil into the carburetor for lubrication of one unit, and just regular oil into the other unit ( 1 qt each ) and ran both engines without lubrication until they stopped from lack of oil. The one using MILITEC kept running until we had to shut it off and check for lubrication in the fuel tank. I started it again and it ran for another 10 to 20 minutes. It began to slow down and finally stopped. I disassembled both units. The Militec unit did in fact offer more protection than the outboard motor oil alone. The MILITEC unit was repairable, the untreated unit was beyond repair."


Interesting. . . hardly a real life performance test, or a decent sample size. But, interesting none the less.


Although, I still can't figure out what the test was. They "sprayed lubricant into the carbs". With a spray bottle or something? Very confusing. It almost sounds made up. To test longevity w/o lube why not run a tank of premix and a tank of unmixed?

Actually, after thinking about it I'm even more skeptical now.

 

[LubeDude]

Re: Militec-1

Hello boy's, as the local (Forum declared) "Oil Expert", I'd like to add some input.

Most of my experience is just that, "Experience"! About three years ago I had a freind introduce Militec1 to me, as most of you I was quite skeptical. I called the company and talked with someone high up in the company and was convinced to trying it.

These types of "Metal conditioning" products can indeed have chlorifinated additives in them as does this one but they clain that it is synthethized, whatever that means and that it will not turn into an acid if subjected to moisture. It's also heat activated and to use it properly on even a gun, the peices should be heated in an oven to actually bond it to the metal. Another thing about these products like SLICK FIFTY is that sometimes the regular oil you are using can't stick to the metal as it fights it off. That's ok when your engine is running, but not when in a storage condition. I was told though that Militec1 actually fights off rust also?????????????????????????????

So, with his advice, I have been using it for about three years. Everything seems fine so far. I used it in my 1986 Mercury 150, and am now using it in my 1996 200 Johnson.

So, "WHY AM I USING IT"???????????????????????????

I feel that it will protect my engine should I have a lean condition, it might save the cylinder from having to be bored. I can give no report of an extra amount of RPM, Speed or fuel mileage.

How to add it to your sytem as per the company's recommendation!

Fill a spray bottle with about half gas, a little TC-W3 oil and several ounces of Militec1. Run the engine on muffs till warm and spray the mixture into the carbs while reving the engine a little. It will smoke like crazy. Do this very liberally. Then mix the two cycle oil of your choice at 2 OZ to 32 oz and shake. It will not separate once mixed, but if not mixed, it will just lay on the bottom of the tank.

I feel it does no harm in any way and it just might save your engine someday and wear will be almost non exhistent.

 

[kauboy]

Re: Militec-1

That test seemed to be more of a stress test and worst case scenario type of thing to me. Not exactly scientific, but real world problems rarely occur under lab conditions.

EDIT: After LubeDude's post, I think I might try this myself. Good to have a real perspective on it. Thanks!!!

 

[iwombat]

Re: Militec-1

This is the only independent review for use in engines I could find so far (non militec site) with real actual data. I'm back to "on the fence" now.

http://www.cyclerides.com/WeeklyUpdate9_1_05.htm

 

[kauboy]

Re: Militec-1

Nice! And a dyno test to boot. Cool stuff...

 

[Redeemed]

Re: Militec-1

Holy MOLY!

I come home from work and find that my little thread actually took wings for a little while!

First of all, thanks to everyone who has posted ANY opinion. That is exactly what I was asking for, so I'm certainly not discouraged by anyone who is admonishing me to stick with what's proven. Another good point was made in the thread. I absolutely look at the number of posts when I'm looking at the replies. It certainly adds credibility. In the end, I came here to learn from people who know a lot more than I do... so, having said that, I appreciate everyone's input so far.

A couple things I would say:

1) I have run dyno tests (years ago) on big block Pontiacs with two physicist friends - real life, honest to goodness Ph.D. guys, one of whom specialized in materials. They were scientists, but they restored old Pontiacs for fun. The results were as I said, increased horsepower and lower temperatures. We never did any of the stress test stuff, because that meant you basically had to plan to break two somethings that cost a lot of money.

2) Ever since then, like them, I have used this stuff in most stuff I own with fast moving metal parts. The PR stuff is right. It is absolutely the best gun lubricant I've ever seen or heard about.

3) I deeply respect those of you who point to the 50 year old motors that have just been properly maintained with traditional stuff. I grew up boating in a little bass boat with a 1958 Evinrude. In 1976, my granddad put a flywheel on it. It still runs today exactly the way it did when I was a kid. Again, I'm just asking for opinions. The motor I just bought has a lower unit that looks like somebody threw some cobalt drill bits in for fun the last time they topped off the oil.

The bottom line is, I've learned a lot from what I've read so far and will consider all of it. At this point, I'm thinking that I'm going to run the motor for a few outings to see how it does once the lower unit is rebuilt. After that, I'm probably going to go with the 1 oz. per tank of the additive and see if I notice anything.

Please keep posting to this thread if you have an opinion. That's why I came here...

... oh, and I'll let you know if I blow it up:redface:

Thanks again,

Chad

 

[iwombat]

Re: Militec-1

As I stated before, I think the only real risk you're taking is running it through your carbs. You may want to do a fresh rebuild prior to adding, then rebuild again some time afterwards and see if it's leaving any traces behind.

Wouldn't hurt to open up the inspection ports before and after too. See if there's any bad carbon build-up. This stuff may not burn out that well.

 

[bogggar1]

Re: Militec-1

It might be a miricle product & it might not... at $100.00 a gallon I think I can live without it. Buy good oil add to gas and fish!!! Todays outboard oil manufactures have done thier homework and offer us the best they can... that's good enough for me. Very intresting product debate and I look forward to more test result posts.

 

[iwombat]

Re: Militec-1

See, that's just it. All the anecdotes are immediate results. I wonder what this stuff does over time, especially if it's chemically bonding (a.k.a reacting with) the metal. Might be fine after 50 hours and actually advance wear after 500. Who can say? I really wish I knew more about what it's doing to the lattice structures and chemical compounds.


It _is_ a risk. Might be an acceptable risk, but it's still a non-zero risk you're taking with your outboard.


Looks like this has all been hashed out before though: http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=14750

 

[WillyBWright]

Re: Militec-1

Be skeptical
Read me too

 

[Redeemed]

Re: Militec-1

Be skeptical
Read me too

Thanks, Willy. I read them. I've read the one from the Defense Supply officer before. That has been a relatively controversial issue, at least in the scope of Militec's life. The problem with that is that the tests being done in that evaluation were not conducive to what Militec is good at. My understanding is that they were just coating a metal substance with the product and seeing how it performed against "oils" with respect to corrosion. That's not what Militec claims to be good at or how it is supposed to be used. It doesn't even begin to work until it's heated. This is one of those times where the government has its tests for what it's looking for and if your product doesn't fit in the little box, too bad for your product, no matter how many soldiers prefer it.

Chad