Ted Williams 5.0?

[ralf]

I have a sears ted williams 5.0, I need to know the oil/gasoline ratio required.I don't know the age of it but the model number's 217-5854-0 in my search for info I have seen lots of stuff about ted williams 7.5 and 15 hp, but not one mention of a 5.0, is this because it will probably blow up the first time I use it or something like that? or is this a good thing? any info would be greatly appreciated, thanks

 

[CATransplant]

Re: Ted Williams 5.0?

If you've typed in the model number correctly, that is a 1970 3 hp, not a 5hp.

Like all of those engines, it was made by Eska, and has a tecumseh air-cooled powerhead.

I have one just like it. I run it with a 16:1 mix, using the type of oil used in chainsaws and other air-cooled engines. It may be that the recommended ratio is 24:1, but I feel safer with 16:1.

You can see exploded view parts diagrams by going to www3.sears.com, and putting the model number in like this: 217.58540.

Parts are available from certifiedpartscorp.com. You have to call the phone number, because there are no parts lists online there, but they have been very good with supplying parts.

 

[steelespike]

Re: Ted Williams 5.0?

If you've typed in the model number correctly, that is a 1970 3 hp, not a 5hp.

Like all of those engines, it was made by Eska, and has a tecumseh air-cooled powerhead.

I have one just like it. I run it with a 16:1 mix, using the type of oil used in chainsaws and other air-cooled engines. It may be that the recommended ratio is 24:1, but I feel safer with 16:1.

You can see exploded view parts diagrams by going to www3.sears.com, and putting the model number in like this: 217.58540.

Parts are available from certifiedpartscorp.com. You have to call the phone number, because there are no parts lists online there, but they have been very good with supplying parts.

I thought this might be a spot do touch on the TCW3 in aircooleds again.
My manuals covering covering all types of 2 stroke outboards including
air cooled from 57 to 85. All without exception suggest outboard oils.
The newer manuals TCW rated oil.
I read the super tech container today in Wallmart.
Says TCW3 can be used where TCW was previously reccomended.
Not saying aircooled 2 stroke oil suggestion is in error only that apparently
we can use either one.

 

[CATransplant]

Re: Ted Williams 5.0?

It wouldn't surprise me if regular outboard oil would work fine. But, the W stands for watercooled, which give me pause. Since these motors are air-cooled, I'm sure they're running at higher temps than our watercooled models.

Since there are oils readily available for 2-stroke aircooled engines, it just makes sense to me to use them. Not that I'd hesitate to use TC-W3 oil in an aircooled outboard if that was all that was available, I'd choose the other oil, given a choice.

The real problem with all those aircooled outboards is keeping them running long enough to make any difference, it seems to me. If I sound like a frustrated owner of an Eska-based outboard, it's because I am.

I'm still looking for a nice 9.9 hp johnnyrude at a reasonable price. I am sorely annoyed by the Eska on my boat. It runs...usually...but not always. Piece of junk...probably was when it was new.

 

[ralf]

Re: Ted Williams 5.0?

welll, maybe if I typed in the entire model number it might be a 5.0? let me try, 217-58541-0 (stupid keyboard)

 

[steelespike]

Re: Ted Williams 5.0?

welll, maybe if I typed in the entire model number it might be a 5.0? let me try, 217-58541-0 (stupid keyboard)

75,5hp. "32:1 may be used on 74 and later models if oil used is BIA certified TC-W. if TC-W oil is not available a good grade of outboard oil in 24:1 ratio
may be used".Quote from my after market manual.
Unfortunately I think it is true these motors don't run enough to make a difference.

 

[CATransplant]

Re: Ted Williams 5.0?

welll, maybe if I typed in the entire model number it might be a 5.0? let me try, 217-58541-0 (stupid keyboard)

OK, then, That is a 1975 5 hp. Same advice applies.

 

[steelespike]

Re: Ted Williams 5.0?

yes

 

[ralf]

Re: Ted Williams 5.0?

thanks a lot for the helpful advice, I just got the ted williams 5.0 running and adjusted to the point where it takes an average of 3 pulls to start it. I'm thinking I'm going to actually clamp it to the boat and try it in real water tomorrow morning. I have another question, I have another sears 5.0hp, very similar to the ted williams. the question is, would this be worth overhauling or would I be better off calling it a parts motor? 217-58990 is the model number I think, it's partially weathered off but I think I'm reading what's left accurately.it ran last year but has spent several months outdoors, partially disassembled

 

[steelespike]

Re: Ted Williams 5.0?

thanks a lot for the helpful advice, I just got the ted williams 5.0 running and adjusted to the point where it takes an average of 3 pulls to start it. I'm thinking I'm going to actually clamp it to the boat and try it in real water tomorrow morning. I have another question, I have another sears 5.0hp, very similar to the ted williams. the question is, would this be worth overhauling or would I be better off calling it a parts motor? 217-58990 is the model number I think, it's partially weathered off but I think I'm reading what's left accurately.it ran last year but has spent several months outdoors, partially disassembled

70 5 hp. Fuel mix is 24:1 using any guality 2 stroke oil.
I guess a refurbish is your call.I would just keep in mind these motors vibrate are noisy,somewhat trouble prone and pretty much a pain in the butt for parts.

 

[ralf]

Re: Ted Williams 5.0?

steelespike, you are so right. I tried the ted williams 5.0 last sunday, it behaved exactly as you described, vibrates, is noisy, and appears to be very prone to problems. it started out pretty well, but about 3 hours later I barely made it back to the boat launch. finally getting it started after about 60-75 pulls of the startedr, not to mention the blisters on 2 fingers. but then it would only run at full throttle, as soon as I backed it off a little when approaching the dock, it immediately stalled out. I've been tinkering with it, redid the carb, checking the spark etc. but I'm real close to giving up on it. to be fair, when it was running it moved my little boat quite nicely. any tricks or suggerstions you or anyone else might think of would be appreciated. thanks for your advice, you obviously know what you're talking about.

 

[cordell123]

Re: ANOTHER Ted Williams 5.0?

Re: ANOTHER Ted Williams 5.0?

Hello all,
I am new to your forum, and very glad I found you!! ..I also have a Ted Williams 5.0 that my neighbor just gave me. My friend (his father) had passed away and they were cleaning out the garage and found this little fellow. Apparently he had purchased it new, used it once and was transferred, and it had been sitting ever since. It appears to be new except for a few scuffs that you would expect after a few moves!!!!!! The ser # on mine is 6D023398, and it has a Tecumseh motor (643-21A...............7797933). The chassis # is 217/58541-1..and it is marked air cooled.

I just received this so I may ask some silly questions BUT......... is there a reverse?? Is there a neutral...... The lever goes from STOP to START and then SLOW and fast (I think). In any of the positions if I move the starting cord the prop will turn????????, Can this motor be started out of the water???, and if I can impose further what is the year of manufacture????????? From what I have gleaned from this excellent site I may just get it started and salt it away for another generation to worry about................................although....................!! Thanks in advance and God bless. cordell123

 

[steelespike]

Re: ANOTHER Ted Williams 5.0?

Re: ANOTHER Ted Williams 5.0?

58541 My info indicates a 71 3hp.To the best of my knowledge it is a straight drive.Don't start it out of water.It has a water cooled exhaust leg with an impeller.Put it in a trash barrel with the water up to the bottom of the clamp.Water should mist out the relief holes on the leg.24:1 fuel mix.
In my opinion not worth a huge investment in time or money unless you just love to tinker.