tilt and trim help??

[matts94sc]

I have a norris craft with a 78 evinrude 140 I bought it used and I came home from the lake on eweekend and parked my boat and it sat for about 2 weeks covered up and I got it out the other day and the tilt or trim wont work the selenoid just clicks I changed it out and it still just clicks I had to take out the drain plug to get it back up it went down easy but wouldnt come up. have any suggestions Ive had alot of people tell me to look under the engine cover but there is no wires going up to from the tilt or trim anywhere another they said is the tilt safety switch? please any suggestions would help

 

[fordsohc46]

Re: tilt and trim help??

i would check all wiring and connections to and from solenoid. and check grouds.

 

[HighTrim]

Re: tilt and trim help??

There is a 20 amp inline fuse at the solenoid have you checked that? Will the motor rise up when you jump the top two large posts of the solenoid? Have you topped up the fluid in the hydraulic resevoir?

 

[matts94sc]

Re: tilt and trim help??

I took the wires off and hooked them sraight up and tried it that way nodeal just sparked as soon as i hit it I also tried to jump the selenoid no deal the owner before me took out the trailer switch and the front switch and just wired it up on a two way switch in the console I hate it I am wanting to put my front and trailer back on but i have to get switches for them he also hooked A car selenoid to it So would it be smart to just probably take it of and completely rewire it? put back all my switches?

 

[mikesea]

Re: tilt and trim help??

cant remember if the tnt motor that yr has 2 or 3 wires,if 3 be sure blk to gnd,using blue on positive would raise(blue for sky,up)grn down,if 2 wire,bl to [pos will go up,if you have no response,the tnt motor has issues,or the wire to it,you might want to tap on the tnt motor while supplying power,if the brushes are an issue the tapping may get it to run,but it wont be a perm.fix

 

[Joe Reeves]

Re: tilt and trim help??

Trace the 3 wires back from the electric motor to whatever they're connected to and disconnect them.

There will be three (3) wires, Black, Blue, and Green.

Using small jumpers from the battery, connect the battery negative terminal to the black wire, then connect the battery positive terminal to either the Blue or Green wire..... Blue should go up, Green should go down. If it does, then obviously the electric motor is okay. If it does not, you've found the problem.

Let us know what you find.

 

[matts94sc]

Re: tilt and trim help??

what about the safety switch? could it be a problem where should it be when i try this cause im doing this right now as we speak. can i just wire it together or what?? how can i bypass it?? and would it hurt to make the pump run with no fluid in it?I had to drain the fluid to get in back up it wouldnt go up I couldnt pick it up so I had to take out the drain plug?? thank you all for your help

 

[HighTrim]

Re: tilt and trim help??

Leave everything as it normally is,including fillin the fluid back up, dont wanna make more problems on urself. Let us know what u find

 

[matts94sc]

Re: tilt and trim help??

ok I just tried it and all it did was quietly click you couldnt harly hear it over the wires sparking. id try to hold the ground solid and just tap the blue and nothing just sparked everytime.? is it my motor how much do they run how could it just go out like that? can i have it rebuilt??

 

[matts94sc]

Re: tilt and trim help??

ok I had no hydraulic fluid in it, the engine was down, i hooked the black up for ground and held the blue one for a sec and nothing just kinda clicked. not a real loud click either a very low sound should i try to have one of my friends tap the pump while i try it??

 

[HighTrim]

Re: tilt and trim help??

Do you mean your motor is clicking or the solenoid, if you do determine the motor is shot, you can have it rebuilt, usually around 20 to 100, depending on how much is involved. A new one will be over 200. If the motor is running but not moving the ram, and the resevoir is full, you pump may be shot as well. Have a friend tap the motor, not the pump, that may tell you if the brushes in the motor are shot.

 

[Joe Reeves]

Re: tilt and trim help??

The only safety switch on that type unit (elec motor) would be a circuit breaker within the electric motor..... and it doesn't sound like that circuit's open otherwise there would be no sparking when the wires are connected.

It appears that you're hooking the jumper wires up correctly and from what you've had to say about the results, it would appear that the electric motor is faulty. Yes they're expensive if you can find one. Frankly I'd remove, dismantle and inspect it first as there's nothing to lose.

The above pertains if the electric motor is not actually running when the jumpers are applied. You don't exactly say one way or the other.... only that sparks fly so to speak.

 

[matts94sc]

Re: tilt and trim help??

ok I tried both your right. so how do i get the assembly off? I have it loose but it wont come out it wiggles up and down please dont tell me I have to take the engine off?? is there no other way?? I cant reach the bolts It would be nice if i could though could i take it to a starter/alternator shop maybe?? I really really appreciate your help

 

[HighTrim]

Re: tilt and trim help??

You dont need to take the whole assembly to the small motor shop, just the motor part of it. There are 3 star screws that hold it on, i dont know if youll have room on your motor with it all the way up or not to get it out. If not disconnect the unit from the transom then unscrew the motor from the unit.

 

[matts94sc]

Re: tilt and trim help??

ok i have all the bolts out including the pin that connects the cylinder to the engine out and I can move the whole assembly up and down about 2-3 inches it is loose but it wont come out and the pump motor has 3 phillips screws I cant seem to get to the back one or should i be able to?? so I dont have to take the engine off the boat in order to get all that assembly out??

 

[mikesea]

Re: tilt and trim help??

certain engines will allow the unit to come out without removing anything else,BUT you may have discovered your not that lucky,I had a 150 that I was able to sneak out,but do know others dont.That said,the easiest way is to take the portside mounting bracket on the engine loose,remove the 2 bolts to the hull,then remove the big nut on the pivot tube,that should then allow enough room to sneak it out,You might be lucky and get that back screw out,the one you werent sure needs to come out,there are 3 mounting screws for the motor,there will be some moving parts inside and an oring,so ,if you decide ,and you can get the tnt motor off without removing from the eng.keep a sharp eye in the event something falls out,I do know those motors are avail by aftermarket sources,Is the metal housing and wiring in good shape,you dont want to rebuild a motor that isnt water tite.Good luck,its just time,not complicated

 

[HighTrim]

Re: tilt and trim help??

You may have to unbolt the steering cable as well