Was everyone asleep?

[sun_runner235]

The more and more I listen to public opinion of how things are going with government and the economy makes me believe most people slept through their government and economics classes. The logistics of how government works is clearly laid out in the Constitution. Its not rocket science. If people understood how the 3 Branches of government work (and Lord help me to believe that most of the country realizes their are 3 branches of government) and how bills are passed would realize that most everything going on right now is just show. And I will admit, the show is on both sides of the aisle.

Example 1: Congress trying to force a bill through that requires a timeline for pulling out of Iraq. They know the bill will be vetoed by the President, and they do not have the 2/3 vote to overturn a veto.....yet they keep re-submitting it. WASTE OF TAX PAYER MONEY and basically says "hey look at us! WE are trying to do something but its THEIR fault! You need to vote them out of office next election and keep us in charge."

Example 2: Congress firing off subpoenas and contempt charges against the Executive Branch. They have no Judicial power over the Executive branch! The only resolution to this is it will have to be reviewed by the Supreme Court. IF and only IF they even decide to hear the case, they most likely agree the Executive branch can claim Executive priveilege. So what has this done? WASTE TAX PAYER MONEY and resolve nothing.

Example 3: See the Minimum Wage tax thread!

For those of you that have the "Uh......what?!" thought right about now, use some money from your increased minimum wage and take a couple community college courses in government and economics. It will be money well spent.

 

[Haut Medoc]

Re: Was everyone asleep?

Seems like it is working just like it was designed to.....
You, (of the minority party apparently), just don't like what the majority wants....
Well......
WAH!!!!!.......
It's only a waste of money when it doesn't suit your wants or needs.......
The Rehubs had a super majority & squandered it......​

 

[treedancer]

Re: Was everyone asleep?

Example 1: Congress trying to force a bill through that requires a timeline for pulling out of Iraq.(election cycle politics)

Example 2: Congress firing off subpoenas and contempt charges against the Executive Branch.
(Greasing the wheels for impeachment to follow+ election cycle politics)

Example 3 See the Minimum Wage tax thread!(finally dong something that is right.)

 

[dave68iou1]

Re: Was everyone asleep?

Define minority?? Those that scream at the top of their lungs and REQUIRE that somebody hear them and sympathize?? (Sympathy can be found in the dictionary between sh** and syphilis)
We do not have a perfect system and it is difficult to uphold the constitution when so many of our leaders refer to it as "an antiquated document with no bearing on today's society). Voter turnout at a record high?? With so many citizens that have the right to vote and choose not to, we are resigned to sit by and watch while those who do raise their voice change our lives...

 

[sun_runner235]

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(Sympathy can be found in the dictionary between sh** and syphilis)
QUOTE]

LMFAO

 

[sun_runner235]

Re: Was everyone asleep?

Example 1:

Example 2: Congress firing off subpoenas and contempt charges against the Executive Branch.
(Greasing the wheels for impeachment to follow+ election cycle politics)

Impeaching a Lame Duck President would be yet another waste of time and money....not to mention it would not achieve the 2/3 vote required for conviction.

 

[Haut Medoc]

Re: Was everyone asleep?

I agree.....
Impeaching a Lame Duck President would be yet another waste of time and money....not to mention it would not achieve the 2/3 vote required for conviction.
We are just gonna have to ride it out....​

 

[OldMercsRule]

Re: Was everyone asleep?

Hey SR the entire Country, (rulling elite n' all the citizens) fell asleep in 1932 when FDR was elected and have remained nappin' ever since. If ya read the origional 20 page document plus amendments the Federal Government was never and still is not authorized to be as large and intrusive as it is. I believe either article or amendment # 10 reserves all power not specifically authorized to the states who actually could grow in power and scope depending on the limitations of their respective Cornstatutions. FDR (after his crushing 1932 election that also swept in big Democrat majorities), used his huge political power to 'pack' the Supreme Court with Justices who totally disregarded the limitations that had been largely respected, (with the exception of Abe Lincoln, [who actually lacked legal authority to stop the Southern states from leaving the union]), since the ratification.

The FDR Courts quickly taught all Federal Courts, (and State Courts followed) to legislate from the bench which they have done since that time. The only way to stop such a grab in power is to impeach justices and judges which never happens because of the 'living breathing' philosophy of one of the very powerful political parties, (and the other party goes along with the flow).

I tend to p*** off some Cornservatives, (n' most Libs for probably other reasons) with my 'consent of the governed' philosophy, and now you know the roots of where some of my beliefs come from. History n' facts, n' how we all allow our modern Government to operate in a very disconnected way from the protections our Fore Fathers' blood won for us.

Sucessfull Democratic Republics do require their citizens learn the basics of their system, and participate. Problem: Liberals would loose a huge amount of power if we all knew what the Cornstatution actually stated and held them to it AS STATED, so they teach a dumbed down version to keep us nappin'. Once some fall into the victimhood model emphasized in public schools they become very apathetic and not many people even vote as a percentage of the population but the majority really do luv BIG GOVERNMENT with their actions or lack thereof. (Not ol' Murky.) Hence: ya get what we have today. Respectfully, (I'll likely take heat from all sides here), JR

 

[sun_runner235]

Re: Was everyone asleep?

Merc....

I agree with you. I'm conservative by nature with my values, however when dealing with political or law issues you have to take your own personal feelings about the matter out of the equation and go by the "rules".

As for your "big government" comments I also agree. The majority of the founding fathers believed the federal government should be small and leave most of the governing to the states. Federal Government should be limited to those matters such as Foreign Policy, Interstate Commerce and Infrastructure, and factors that effect the GDP and GNP. Sadly most of the country thinks "big government" is the cure all.

I say we go by T. Jefferson's advice and have a revolution every 10 - 20 years. LOL.

 

[OldMercsRule]

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Merc....

I agree with you. I'm conservative by nature with my values, however when dealing with political or law issues you have to take your own personal feelings about the matter out of the equation and go by the "rules".

As for your "big government" comments I also agree. The majority of the founding fathers believed the federal government should be small and leave most of the governing to the states. Federal Government should be limited to those matters such as Foreign Policy, Interstate Commerce and Infrastructure, and factors that effect the GDP and GNP. Sadly most of the country thinks "big government" is the cure all.

I say we go by T. Jefferson's advice and have a revolution every 10 - 20 years. LOL.

That's a big 10 4 SR, I was expecting to be slapped hard for what I just said, (which maybe I still will). JR

 

[RubberFrog]

Re: Was everyone asleep?

Hey,

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Who loves ya baby?

 

[treedancer]

Re: Was everyone asleep?

Quote Rubberfrog

Have a nice nap JR?

rofl

 

[OldMercsRule]

Re: Was everyone asleep?

Hey,

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Who loves ya baby?

We're buds Rubber, n' you are informed enough n' intellectually sharp enough that you may actually agree with me last rant as well. Now Plainsman n' Skinny, (who I actually kissed n' made up to as well per yer suggestion), may not like this post either. Who knows? I don't!! JR

 

[OldMercsRule]

Re: Was everyone asleep?

Quote Rubberfrog

Have a nice nap JR?

rofl

Yes, Mr Tree. Great nap!!! JR

 

[OldMercsRule]

Re: Was everyone asleep?

Since I'm on a roll here, (n' haven't been spanked yet), let me try to stick the other foot in the ol' mouth n' swallow it. Victors always write the history. Boy: is that true!!!!

Was FDR a great war leader? Absolutely, (IM not so HO)! That said: nowhere near as good or Great as the Greatest man of the 20th century BY FAR no close second place: Sir Winston Churchill, (without him we would all be speaking German/Japanese or dead).

Should his war leadership secure his spot as one of our great Presidents? Maybe, (I don't think so), here is the problem. He was without a doubt the worst US President ever in terms of economic stewardship, and more importantly: the distruction of the Judicial branch of our Government and the (so far) permanent trashing of the US Cornstatution!!

The "Great Depression" would clearly have been nastier then the panic of 1907, (the previous big deal prior to 1929), but likely not a "Great Depression" it became, had FDR refrained from his Socialist BIG GOVERNMENT adgenda that caused a collapse in 1937 worse then 1929, (and FDR's policies prevented any recovery from the lows of 1932 to 1937).

The victors have been sooooooo skilled at writing history n' dumbing down text books et al, very few non financial historian types know about what I just stated above. The same victors led ya to believe Joe McCarthy was the devil himself, (while clearly not a nice guy), he was exactly right on the money n' the Libs n' Democrats circled the wagons around many of those Democrat spies on Uncle Joes' payroll.

Figured I'd really step in it now, so fire away: Folks!! JR

 

[QC]

Re: Was everyone asleep?

Back to the original topic. It is not "Wah" because things aren't going our way Blo Ho, it's incredulity at having to remind the Professionals in Congress what the rules are for their chosen profession . . .

It's amazing. The fact that Impeachment comes up when discussing the rules is pretty ironic. Where's the impeachable crime? I don't care which side does it, wasting my money on carp they all know is bogus, pisses me off!!! It causes apathy, low voter turnout, spreads disinformation, pollutes minds and generally mucks everything up. Not sure how that should be described as "working" Mr Ho.

I have previously been on record as liking Gridlock. I still do, but this is not Gridlock, this is nothing but a ratings boon for CSpan and they cannot even profit from it . . . again. BTW, I think Gonzales is the man. He's not cracking, and his whole demeanor looks like one big to me.

Big headline in the LA Times today: FBI chief undercuts Gonzales' testimony on Bush wiretapping, so I actually read the story and the "undercut"ing was that Mueller had "reservations" about the so-called "warrantless eavesdropping" (Times quote) and Gonzales had previously said that it had generated no "serious disagreement" a flippin' year ago . . . Now to those that do not speak the English language. Having "reservations" is not a "serious disagreement" . . . again. This one for those of you who refuse to see a liberal twist from a major news source . . .

 

[Plainsman]

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Merc....

I agree with you. I'm conservative by nature with my values, however when dealing with political or law issues you have to take your own personal feelings about the matter out of the equation and go by the "rules".

No chance of that happening.

But back on topic. If these jackass that are in the Congress, both sides of the isle, don't start getting things done other than sound bites and censoring and impeachment rantings, the folks are really going to get ticked off. Now what does that mean, for the most part nothing, but we saw how the folks rose up during that piece of carp immigration bill. Those in Washington need to wake up and start doing their flippin jobs! I'm tired of all the waking by the jackasses.

 

[Haut Medoc]

Re: Was everyone asleep?

Back to the original topic. It is not "Wah" because things aren't going our way Blo Ho, it's incredulity at having to remind the Professionals in Congress what the rules are for their chosen profession . . .

They are doing what their cornstituents want......
The Rehubs had their way for six years, & when they have a majority again, they can proceed in the manner in which they see fit.....
Apparently the policy of Bush & co has been rejected by a majority, albeit a slim one.....
The door swings both ways......
If I voted Dem because I wanted an end to the war & impeachment, then the duly elected official that I voted for damn well better carry out my wishes or suffer the cornsequencess in the next election.....
I am for the war, btw, because it will reduce the population in the Middle East, smiting Saracens can never be a bad thing, IMHO....
& we need to keep our troops in place so we can roll into Teheran.......​

It's amazing. The fact that Impeachment comes up when discussing the rules is pretty ironic. Where's the impeachable crime? I don't care which side does it, wasting my money on carp they all know is bogus, pisses me off!!! It causes apathy, low voter turnout, spreads disinformation, pollutes minds and generally mucks everything up. Not sure how that should be described as "working" Mr Ho.

I believe that the system, though flawed, is working as designed.......
Just 'cuz Rehubs wanna whine 'sour grapes' does not change the fact that most Dems believe that Duhbya has acted in a criminal & immoral manner i much of his policy & want it stopped.......
Again, it is working, just not the way you want it to......WAH!......
However, if Dummy were impeached that would just leave Cheney in command like he is anyway, & there is not enough time left in this term to go through the process twice........​

I have previously been on record as liking Gridlock. I still do, but this is not Gridlock, this is nothing but a ratings boon for CSpan and they cannot even profit from it . . . again. BTW, I think Gonzales is the man. He's not cracking, and his whole demeanor looks like one big to me.
Gonzo is no more than Dubya & Cheney's minion........
He will do whatever the 'Dark Lord' commands......


Big headline in the LA Times today: FBI chief undercuts Gonzales' testimony on Bush wiretapping, so I actually read the story and the "undercut"ing was that Mueller had "reservations" about the so-called "warrantless eavesdropping" (Times quote) and Gonzales had previously said that it had generated no "serious disagreement" a flippin' year ago . . . Now to those that do not speak the English language. Having "reservations" is not a "serious disagreement" . . . again. This one for those of you who refuse to see a liberal twist from a major news source . . .

Just a matter of semantics, Quibble Cat.........

 

[OldMercsRule]

Re: Was everyone asleep?

Just a matter of semantics, Quibble Cat.........

Hate to side with me Bro QC, but the dim wits did elect a bunch of traitors to preen themselves fer the next election by the very political shenagans like we are seein' right now. It is what it is. We are governed by cornsent in this particular system, and we (narrowly) as me Bro states: put these traitors in power, and it is quite predictable what comes next. We get what we want QC, and the dim wits wanted this scenario more then we, (Cornservatives), wanted our adjenda: real simple.

Cornservatives need to understand that Dems and Libs and their pals the MSM always work for the next disaster because most of their modern power came from taking advantage of dim wits demoralized by disasters all the way back to the biggist grab of em all in 1932. Ya need a functional brain cell ta ponder history 'n "cornect the dots" as Boom luvs ta state repeatedly.

Get used to the most anti American stuff ya can imagine over the next few months. Democrats will try to force defeat regardless of the success of the surge. Methinks they may overplay their weak hand, and though I'm pessimistic about the near term, the smokin' ruins of an American city or two will likely wake ALL of us UP (even the dim wits that like to work with our enemies fer political gain will get shook up by the seeds they are now sewing). Respectfully, (sorry to side with Bro Haut), JR

 

[woodrat]

Re: Was everyone asleep?

if we started following the constitution strictly and actually constrained all the branches the way they are supposed to be constrained, BOTH "sides" of this disgrace would lose power in a big way.

Too bad there is no chance of that happening anytime soon. There is no party of limited government that has the constitutional principles at its core and minds its own business.

as for the war, we are now stuck there, probably for decades, and there is no good way to militarily "win" anymore, short of tripling the troops so that we can kill ALL the iraqis.


"Cornservatives need to understand that Dems and Libs and their pals the MSM always work for the next disaster because most of their modern power came from taking advantage of dim wits demoralized by disasters all the way back to the biggist grab of em all in 1932. Ya need a functional brain cell ta ponder history 'n "cornect the dots" as Boom luvs ta state repeatedly.
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Oh I like this one a lot! Speaking of disasters that have been used to dupe the dimwits and grab more power, does anyone remember those buildings falling down back in september of '01? I think conservatives understand the concept pretty well, from what I've seen over the last few years.

And I would think that once we have the smoking remains of a whole american city at hand (well, unless it is New Orleans) then the power play will be complete and the conservatives will have a big old fashioned constitution burning, dissenters will be rounded up for the camps, and everybody else will head off to the coronation for the new emperor who will protect us from the bad guys from now on, once there is no pesky Congress to get in the way.

I guess I'm a little pessimistic about the long term, too...