weight of 140 vs 120

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Is there a substantial weight difference between the 140 and 120 loopers? I know they are both V4 but I don't know if they are based on the same block. The reason I ask is because I'd like to upgrade my 70 and my dad has a 140, however my boat is only rated for a 125.
 

Brew2

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Re: weight of 140 vs 120

What Gammabusa said. Difference between the 140 and 120 loopers was the carbs.
 

Molaker

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Re: weight of 140 vs 120

Is there a substantial weight difference between the 140 and 120 loopers? I know they are both V4 but I don't know if they are based on the same block. The reason I ask is because I'd like to upgrade my 70 and my dad has a 140, however my boat is only rated for a 125.
Boat HP rating is not based on weight. Putting a 140hp on a boat rated only for 125hp is not a big transgression, but a zealous water patrol might think so and insurance companies are more than happy to find a way out of a claim.
 

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Re: weight of 140 vs 120

the 120 and 140HP will be the same weight (almost) and there is more than "just the carbies" difference, but that does not matter here anyway, there will be a big power boost from a 70HP but just be sure as mentioned, you do not run into trouble later on, should something "go amiss", the Ficht engine technology is kind of the same as the etec system but in a way completely different, I know that sounds odd but it is true, it is the same basic principle but there is no longer any link to Ficht Technologies but uses the same 'high pressure" injection setup principle.
 
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Re: weight of 140 vs 120

Thanks guys. I'm not looking to do anything irresposible here, just trying to save a little money and some of the headaches involved with buying a used motor whose history I know nothing about. As far as the legalities, I don't think it would take too much effort for a slight decal "repair."
 

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YOu can "repair" the decal but if you ever have an accident and an attorney finds out - - - - well - - - -
 
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Boat HP rating is not based on weight. Putting a 140hp on a boat rated only for 125hp is not a big transgression, but a zealous water patrol might think so and insurance companies are more than happy to find a way out of a claim.

Good point about insurance, I'm sure there would be more than a simple visual inspection involved if there were a claim.
 

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Re: weight of 140 vs 120

I'm not looking to do anything irresposible here .. I don't think it would take too much effort for a slight decal "repair."

Right, nothing irresponsible here! Hopefully you won't hurt anyone but yourself.
 
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Right, nothing irresponsible here! Hopefully you won't hurt anyone but yourself.

I'm basically looking for information before I jump into anything so yes, that actually is being responsible. Since my original post I've gathered enough information to understand that a 120 or 125 will be more than adequate and give me fewer complications overall. Thanks for the information.
 

Cricket Too

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You will notice no performance difference from a 120 to a 140, if anything the 120 might even be faster.

I would take your father's engine and stick it on.
 

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Boat HP rating is not based on weight. Putting a 140hp on a boat rated only for 125hp is not a big transgression, but a zealous water patrol might think so and insurance companies are more than happy to find a way out of a claim.

On this matter, sometimes you can end up with an engine that is not what it appears to be. Not that I'm encouraging anyone to do anything fraudulent, but this is what happened to me.

I bought a used boat and motor and the motor had a cowling that said Johnson 175 VRO. The engine was a remanufactured engine by a company that does it (big sticker on the engine with comany's name, etc.). The transom bracket label, that normally has the model number on it, was missing.

So I think my engine's a 175 and as a simple boat user/consumer, how could I possibly know anything different? I certainly wouldn't know from the performance because I have nothing to compare it to. The cowling is the only indentifying feature. I report the purchase to the insurance company and because the boat is rated to 200 hp, no problem.

Go to get some repairs done and the mechanic is trying to figure out what parts to use (gaskets I think). He tries to use gasket sets that are commonly used for 175 hp engines of that era, and they don't work. Searches on engine and finds model number that is casted into it and finds out it's really a 235 hp from 1982. This number was pretty difficult to find - took some searching and moving of parts to find it. I looked for it again the other day, and I had forgotten where it was, and in about 10 minutes I couldn't find it (I know it's there somewhere, because at one point he showed it to me).

OK, so what do I do? I keep my mouth shut because, as far as law enforcement and insurance company goes, I certainly have no objective way of knowing any of this as far as they know. Performance wise, it's probably a 175 anyway, because the 235 engine was originally built at the time when HP was not measured at the prop like today's engines. Also, I have NO idea how the ignition and carb. parts that were used in the remanufacturing affected HP. I gotta think the reman company put that 175 cowling on it because it is a 175 really.

Point of all this: it is not uncommon for transom bracket labels to be missing. If so, a normal boater would have no idea what his motor is except for what decals are on the cowling. If you were to buy an engine in this sort of condition (no transom bracket label, mis-labeled cowling) how would you know any better, especially if the sales receipt said 120, not 140? Just at thought.
 

NSBCraig

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check ebay for stickers I found a guy there who has the whole set of horse powers for you model pretty cheap.

or just put some 9.9hp stickers on it.

Oh and I talked to a freind who's an attorney and he said sure if something happened and you were in an accident an attorney would mention it and try it make it a big deal to place the liablity on you but it's really only that guy who's being paid to convince you so that it really matters to, If you cause the accident and are liable pay up if someone else did yeah their gonna probably try all they can to get out of paying you including pay some donkey to come up with all kind of reasons you should pay them.

And if you have insurance on your boat, figuring you don't cause your looking for a cheap engine swap so boats probably not financed, probably not worth some huge amount and definity not running any poker runs, yeah they are always going to look for was to get out of paying you that's their job.

If it makes you feel better my brother pays over six grand a year to insure his boat, which he can only get from one company cause the only other one he could and did have dropped all wind storm coverage in the state of florida and you don't really think they wanted to give him any money when a yaught broker was showing a 60' and somehow got crossed up between the pillings and hit his boat cramming it under the dock. You crazy they'll do anything to keep from repainting a custom design.

Sorry I just can't see a reason not to use a good motor, selling it to go find some motor the who knows what has done whatever to.....
 

dajohnson53

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check ebay for stickers I found a guy there who has the whole set of horse powers for you model pretty cheap. ....

I was just looking last night and found an ebay seller that sells V6 sets in any V6 horsepower (same for V4, etc.). Search ebay for outboard decals and "nana" - that was the name of the store, if I recall. They are made to order, but from the look and description, they are good.

And, if I recall, the V6 set was about $60 Canadian - X.95 for US.
 
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