Hi from New boat buyer+ need some feedback on some issues

diosces

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Hi all, been lurking anon for a while here as I been shopping for a small family cruiser for my family, my wife, twin girls 5-1/2 yrs and myself.
Budget's tight so we are looking at Late 80's 27-30 ft cruisers and I'm holding out for something thats been rebuit or repowered within the alst 6 years.
I'm a mechanical engineer with a varied hands-on mechanical and electronics background but relatively new and ignorant of all things Marine. I will have any boat I intend to buy surveyed however Im hoping to weed out 'bad' boats with obvious issues before I do a survey at a cost of $300-500, typical in NJ area for a 30 ft

One of the nicest things we've seen is this 1990 27` Bayliner 2755 Sun bridge 7,4 V8.with trailer http://newyork.craigslist.org/jsy/boa/391068233.html

Recently replaced engine and rebuilt drive which is critical for us.
Anyway looked at the boat in the water today at owners lake dock. We got to baot it had a camper? style cover on it and was not hooked up to any shore power.

I saw some issues that I really wasn't concerned about that I can correct but two things stood out that I would appreciate some feedback/guidance on.

[HEAD]

There was a small pool of stinky water about a 1/2 deep and 8" in radius on the head floor at the drain. Owner switched battery on and flipped a helm switch (I assume it was a head bilge pump?) and it cleared. I'm assuming this puddle based on smell was backflow from the holding tank. Is something like this caused by a leaky checkvalve? From my HVAC experience most small fluid pumps have buiolt -in check valves. Is this the case with shower pumps in marine applications? Or could I be looking at something more serious?

[Engine Compartment]

When I lifted up the engine hatch I saw what appeared to be a fairly new engine with all new auxiliary components. I have requested that owner provide me with copies of the service/billing tickets for the new engine install and outdrive rebuild. There was some standing water around the engine, I'd guess maybe a few inches but not sure. None of the critical components seemed to be submegred and the engine started right up. The owner flipped a bilge switch and the water level was pumped out. Could this be normal water accumulation from rain, etc? The boat prolly was sitting unattended for a week or so and we had had a few heavy rains recently.
Also will a surveyor who checks the boat both drydocked (intent is to put it on a trailer for the hull sounding/ inspection) and as well sea-trialed (well... lake trialed DEFINITIVELY determine if theres a hull fitting leaking.

I appreciate all feedback as I will be probably shopping/finding a marine surveyor shortly to check the boat before I purchase.
Me and wife are very excited and I'm attending the America's Boating Safety Course sponsored by the Coast Guard in our area tommrrow night in prep for a boat purchase. We have a marina on our property which has a nice slip ready for us. Also considering hiring a local skipper for a day's training on any boat I purchase. (I have been on quite a few boats and drove quite a few but never as an owner/skipper)
 

Nova II 260

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Re: Hi from New boat buyer+ need some feedback on some issues

Standing water everywhere is never a good thing. But rain and leaks happen.
The boat you listed is only 6 years old and everything had to be replaced already, Why? Heed your surveyor, if competant, he'll do you right. Let us know what he found.
 

dingbat

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Re: Hi from New boat buyer+ need some feedback on some issues

Standing water everywhere is never a good thing. But rain and leaks happen.
The boat you listed is only 6 years old and everything had to be replaced already, Why? Heed your surveyor, if competant, he'll do you right. Let us know what he found.


Up for sale 1990 27` Bayliner 2755 Sun bridge 7,4 V8.with trailer. This boat has replaced engine and out drive last year for brand new

Unless my may teacher taught me wrong 1990 was 17 years ago:D

The water in the head would be a concern to me. It should not be able to puddle like that once in the holding tank,

The water in the bilge was most likely rain and wouldn’t bother me if the bilge pump worked.

The hill fitting is what I’d look at, especially on a 16 year old boat. My boat is only 9 years old and I had issue with my fittings. The 3 fittings I have below the water line are bronze and are still in good shape but I was suspicious of the 7 plastic fittings above the water line and replaced them with SS. Only one looked to be bad but I had 3 of them break off while trying to remove the hose from the fitting.

A good surveyor should pick this up but don’t count of it. Ask specifically to have these inspected.
 

diosces

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Re: Hi from New boat buyer+ need some feedback on some issues

Thanks to both for the feedback. I'm really suspecting a check valve leaking/backflowing into the shower sump since it did smell like human waste...

Am I on the right track with that?
 

Nova II 260

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Re: Hi from New boat buyer+ need some feedback on some issues

Thanks Dingbat, somehow I lost 10 years last night. Damn you the Jack Daniels.
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RubberFrog

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Re: Hi from New boat buyer+ need some feedback on some issues

I'm really suspecting a check valve leaking/backflowing into the shower sump since it did smell like human waste...
Sounds like a nice boat to sleep on....

When was the last time the waste tanks were pumped out? A problem like that could be something simple or it could be really expensive. There's no way to know until you really start taking it apart. I wouldn't worry too much about it until you hear from the surveyor. If it is a big issue you can use it as a bargaining chip on the boat. It's fixable no matter what.
 

OhWellcraft

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Re: Hi from New boat buyer+ need some feedback on some issues

Have you owned boats in the past or is this your first go at it? The only reason I ask is because a 27.5 footer can be a handful at times. Will this always be on the water or will you be pulling to other places. That size boat needs a pretty stout truck. I would definately want to test drive it. If it is not a duo prop even though it has a big v8 it could be a little lacking on performance most boats that size have twins. A single engine non duo prop may be difficult to manuver onto a beach or with a side wind etc. While growing up my dad had a 27' Sea Ray with twin 302's it was a great family boat. More than enough for the five of us. Remember boats use a lot of gas no matter what so you are better to have more horse power than you need than the other way around. Not trying to scare you away or sound like a know it all but I have spent many years on a boat that size. Just make sure it is exactly what you want don't compromise on things like power you will never be happy if you do. Good luck and if you hire a surveyor be sure to ask him EVERYTHING you can, you are paying him a good sum and looking to layout a real good sum for your boat so get your moneys worth out of both of them.
 
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