Don't get the Political Rants & Raves

[orion25]

OK, I realize this is probably going to touch some peoples nerves, but..........

I just do not understand why people have to bash this political party or that party. Do you understand democracy and the election process? These people that you are bashing constantly (the politicians) were elected, or will be elected, by the citizens of this country. If your favorite did not win, or is behind in the polls, you need to get over it, the majority thought (or thinks) differently than you. If you believe everything that Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, etc produces is the "gospel" then you deserve to be an angry, disgruntled American. Here is a news flash.... All networks are for profit! They need viewers and ratings to sell advertisements. They use their stories, opinions, beliefs, etc to generate these ratings and thus $$.

For the record, I am not affiliated with either party nor do I support either party. I vote based on whom I think is the best person for the job at hand. Personally I believe the following about our past presidents:

Reagan - Very good leader of this country in hindsight. His ideas were not exactly popular in his time but I have come to realize that he was very forward thinking. Reganomics on the other hand is still somewhat sketchy in my mind........

Bush Senior - Could have been great but he started Desert storm too early. When re-election time came the "war" was not getting peak support and thus neither was he.

Clinton - Yeah he had some personal issues. But he led the economy into one of it's greatest periods. Budget Surplus!! He was an excellent public speaker. Just too much of a moral cripple for a lot of the public..........

Bush Jr. - OK, he is one of the dumbest presidents ever when it comes to common sense. He could not explain the benefits of PFD's in a sinking boat if his life depended on it. But, he led the country pretty well during 2001/2002 (one of it's darkest times). In my mind he was elected and re-elected as the lesser of two evils.

But through it all I have tried to support all of these presidents, with the exception of Reagan because I was too young to vote at the time. They were elected to their office by the American people and who am I to question the judgment of the majority of my fellow citizens?

OK, my rant has ended. Please proceed to flame me

 

[Vlad D Impeller]

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Whether you vote for the jackass with a trunk or an elephant with pointy ears, which ever candidate you vote for, they will all definitely cut your taxes, create more jobs, increase all of your social services and spend more on defense, so long as americans keep spending beyond their levels of earning.

Wanna buy a pig that can fly?... Any plastic will do provided its made in China and covered with lead paint.

 

[12Footer]

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LOL, Vlad. I hear ya.
Orion, everybody is idealogically-attched at the heart to their country, and the direction they envision for it. It would be great if all roads led to peace and properity, but they do not. We all have those goals, but we have different ideas on what is the best way to achieve them. It would be juthed thooper (just super) if God had a cell phone, was on 24hour call top do our bidding, and gave you unlimitted minutes.... But he is not there to serve us, as some would believe. Stll others say there is no God, or that God wears a turbin. We are independant thinkers.IMHO, God made us this way, and this is according to HIS plan, not ours. This is the world I live in -- It may or may not be the same world as yours.
America was founded upon the belief that neither of us has the right to crucify the other over such matters of personal faith,or ideology -- whether said faith/ideals are placed in mankind ,or segment thereof.

It's not easy seeing lemmings walking freely off the cliff. But how would YOU stop it?
I believe it was Rush Limbaugh who said, "The definition of insanity is somebody who repeats the same mistake over and over again, expecting a different result"... And something tells me I just tweeked you by qouting Rush Limbaugh... hmmm... go figure.

 

[orion25]

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it was Rush Limbaugh who said, "The definition of insanity is somebody who repeats the same mistake over and over again, expecting a different result"... And something tells me I just tweeked you by qouting Rush Limbaugh... hmmm... go figure.

I am not Tweaked.... But, Rush WAS NOT the one that came up with that saying. I had a teacher in High School (1990 to 1994) that used to say "a definition of insanity id doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"........

 

[orion25]

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And since morals were hit on. I do not want my government trying to regulate my morals!! If I want to gamble, watch (adult) porn, smoke, drink, etc then it is my business. Please keep your political nose out of it..................

 

[RubberFrog]

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We're just a bunch of friends sittin around yappin about who's got the fattest wife or the ugliest dog.

 

[12Footer]

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Hey!! she is losing weight, and my dogs ARE uglier than yours by a long shot!
God Bless America!

 

[12Footer]

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I am not Tweaked.... But, Rush WAS NOT the one that came up with that saying. I had a teacher in High School (1990 to 1994) that used to say "a definition of insanity id doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"........

Rush is who I heard it from... didn't know your teacher (that well).
They were both correct.

And since morals were hit on. I do not want my government trying to regulate my morals!! If I want to gamble, watch (adult) porn, smoke, drink, etc then it is my business. Please keep your political nose out of it..................

For the record, I am affiliated with one party and I do support it idealogically. I too,vote based on whom I think is the best person for the job at hand. Personally I believe the following about our past presidents:

Reagan - A true world leader. His ideas were not exactly popular in his time but I have known all along he knew wat he was doing, and took the criticism (some immoratlised in "song"). He was indeed very forward thinking. Reganomics RESCUED the ecomomy and prooved less taxes=increased revenues........ FOR EVERYONE.

Bush Senior - Could have been great but he ENDED Desert storm too early. When re-election time came the media had propagandised the war (pictures of the road to bagdad littered with A10-ized vehicles with crispy mutants still behind the wheel and such)... His closing of military bases shortly afterwards and downsizing angered his base to the point of staying home election night.Dan Blather won the media war again.

Clinton - Yeah he had some bigtime personal issues. And he propped-up the economy by permitting dot-com intangeables to hold "value" on paper with no gold to back them up (ENRON). One of it's greatest periods of economic greed and plunder in the history of this nation! That PAPER budget Surplus was exploited and to this day, some believed it was real!!!! He was an excellent public speaker. Just too much of a moral cripple for ME.......... And he took base closures on from his predecessor with a vengience, taking loathing of the military to new unheard of levels!

Bush Jr. - OK, he is one of the smartest presidents ever when it comes to defending us and common sense. He did not need to explain the benefits of PFD's in a sinking boat because his duties (his country) depended on it. But, he led the country pretty well during 2001/2002 (one of it's darkest times). In my mind he was elected and re-elected as the lesser of two evils. But like his father before him, he allienated his party by turning on conservative princples --- he gave us more gubment beuorcratic agencies instead of disbanding any of them. This departed from his father's derailment of party principles only in issue (his dad closed bases and bailed on the war too early, letting Sadamn continue his reign of terror.


As you can see, there ARE good reasons for politcal debate here, lest your twisted views, Or my twisted views go unanswered. The drive-by media outlets and gubment school teachers get away with brainwashing everywhere else in our society -- But we will not have that here! We have Dockside Chat!! Thank you, iboats. It's not your fortay, but this freedom of expression is appreaciated!

It is arrogant for either of us to assume our way is soley, "politically-correct". So to institute a "fairness doctrine" -- to silience me or you, is totalitarianism.... Not on my watch.

As far as morality and the individual, fine.. Whetever you do in your own living room, (provided there are no victums tied to chairs and such), is your buidness. But when you try giving condomes to my 12year old grandson, we have a major problem. You can be a muslim in my country, and I'll break bread with you. But have a muslim self-detonate in my neighborhood while your mosque condones or ignores it, and I have a major problem with your "faith". Go to a soveriegn land where such attrocities are condoned. And stay away from my grandson.

Worship mailboxes for all I care. Just stay out of mine.

 

[woodrat]

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It is arrogant for either of us to assume our way is soley, "politically-correct". So to institute a "fairness doctrine" -- to silience me or you, is totalitarianism.... Not on my watch.

Gee 12, that is one of the most reasonable posts of yours I've ever seen. When did you see the light? If I remember, you were one of the ones shouting "troll!" at me at the top of your lungs, trying to drown out (that's "silence") anything I would say that rubbed your partisan leanings the wrong way...

Glad to see you've finally come around to tolerance of other viewpoints as your guiding light...

 

[Terry Olson]

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Orion - your failure to recognize the importance of political parties is the result of your flawed understanding of the political process.

You can't vote for individual candidates from many political parties AND AT THE SAME TIME successfully advance YOUR political agenda. That's like watching a football game and rooting for individual players on both teams. In the end, none of your favorite players win the game - one of the teams wins the game. In politics it is the winning party (team) - not the individual candidate - who advances their agenda. Your process is more like fantasy football - but no one's fantasy team ever won the superbowl.

If you want to advance your agenda (which is why we vote in the first place right?) you have to support the party which most closely represents your political will and this is why we support one party and criticise the others.

 

[OldMercsRule]

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Orion - your failure to recognize the importance of political parties is the result of your flawed understanding of the political process.

You can't vote for individual candidates from many political parties AND AT THE SAME TIME successfully advance YOUR political agenda. That's like watching a football game and rooting for individual players on both teams. In the end, none of your favorite players win the game - one of the teams wins the game. In politics it is the winning party (team) - not the individual candidate - who advances their agenda. Your process is more like fantasy football - but no one's fantasy team ever won the superbowl.

If you want to advance your agenda (which is why we vote in the first place right?) you have to support the party which most closely represents your political will and this is why we support one party and criticise the others.

Very good analogy Terry, very good post too! JR

 

[waterinthefuel]

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Good write up Terry. You're spot on. I always have said that if someone says they don't support either party I say it's because they don't have the balls to make a choice. It's easy to say you don't support one party or the other, that way you don't have to come to grips with your true feelings.

Like the song says, "Ya gotta stand for something or you'll fall for anything."

From his writings alone he bashed W and said Clinton was good. Sounds like a lib to me.

 

[ricksrster]

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Reganomics RESCUED the ecomomy and prooved less taxes=increased revenues........ FOR EVERYONE.
Little known to most Democrats s that President Kennedy did the same thing!

 

[OldMercsRule]

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Reganomics RESCUED the ecomomy and prooved less taxes=increased revenues........ FOR EVERYONE.
Little known to most Democrats s that President Kennedy did the same thing!

Why yes Rick, that really did happen. Ol' JOHN F KERRY, (ya know my favorite P**K), n' the rest of the totally dishonest DEMS always tell the dim wit Kool aid drinkers that we need to raise taxes to "pay down the debt"!

Clear critical thinkers n' observers KNOW that never happens. Higher taxes slow BIG GUBMINT revenues, and the SLOW the private economy and create more problems that the LIBS can grow the GOVERNMENT n' take more of our rights jus' like ol' FDR taught 'em ta do!!!
(That's the real adjenda of the Libs n dim wit Dems.) Observation: not a mind read here. They know what Rick clearly stated: LIBS ARE NOT STUPID!!!! JR

 

[WillyBWright]

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OK, my rant has ended. Please proceed to flame me

Why you expletive adjective noun! How dare you make sense. Surely you must've noticed by now that that is NOT allowed here!

(Psssst... Independent Thinkers usually have liberal leanings. Don't tell anyone.)

 

[crabby_bob]

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Orion - your failure to recognize the importance of political parties is the result of your flawed understanding of the political process.

You can't vote for individual candidates from many political parties AND AT THE SAME TIME successfully advance YOUR political agenda. That's like watching a football game and rooting for individual players on both teams. In the end, none of your favorite players win the game - one of the teams wins the game. In politics it is the winning party (team) - not the individual candidate - who advances their agenda. Your process is more like fantasy football - but no one's fantasy team ever won the superbowl.

If you want to advance your agenda (which is why we vote in the first place right?) you have to support the party which most closely represents your political will and this is why we support one party and criticise the others.

My agenda isn't fully supported by either party so I vote for the person not the party. It's true that I'm probably wasting my time by not choosing a political party but that's the way it is. I have an innate distrust of people who organize into groups. In my opinion it tends to create an inbreeding of ideas.

All the trash talk about who did what and why one party is less ethical than the other ruins any chance of seriously discussing a subject.

As for the sporting analogy; I root for my favorite team but whether they win or lose makes no difference in my life. If I were a Falcon's I'd boycott the team if Michale Vick plays this year.

EDIT: One of my all time favorite players is now playing for one of my least favorite teams. I never watch a Patriots game unless I have absolutely nothing else to do on a Sunday afternoon but plan to watch a few games this year just to see if Randy can recapture some of his rookie year glory. I'll be cheering for the player not the team.

 

[sun_runner235]

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We're just a bunch of friends sittin around yappin about who's got the fattest wife or the ugliest dog.

What about the ugliest wife and fattest dog?

 

[QC]

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Personally, I'll never understand why any of this bothers anybody . . .

 

[crabby_bob]

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Personally, I'll never undertsand why any of this bothers anybody . . .

I think it's because some posts go way beyond who has the ugliest dog or fattest wife and it raises a question about how far some of the members will go to attack people or religions they hate.

I also think it because people are disappointed when they see a topic of interest and find that it is nothing more than a repetition of the same old trash talk.

 

[woodrat]

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I think it's because some posts go way beyond who has the ugliest dog or fattest wife and it raises a question about how far some of the members will go to attack people or religions they hate.

I also think it because people are disappointed when they see a topic of interest and find that it is nothing more than a repetition of the same old trash talk.

Exactly.

As far as rooting for one team or another, that's fine, but to say that you only have two teams to choose from and you MUST choose one or be labeled too cowardly to make a choice is a pretty sorry assertion. What kind of attention would anyone pay to NFL if it was just the same two teams, year after year?

BOTH parties know that letting any other teams play would ruin their chances to advance their narrow, self serving agendas, which is why BOTH major parties do whatever they can to keep any other teams from ever getting on the field. And until there are some decent teams playing, I have no interest in the game of electoral politics.