Help! New tires bald in 150 miles!!!

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New Trailer: 2007 1500 lbs capacity Shoreland"r with a Lund logo on it.

Boat: 2007 Lund Aluminum 14' 9" about 625 lbs (725 with gear)

Motor: 2007 Mercury 40 hp 4 stroke about 215 lbs

So let's say the trailering weight of the boat is about 1000 lbs.

Tongue weight is about 10%.

I noticed my new tires after a few trips were both bald.

I put on two more and they just went bald too this weekend after 150 miles.

From viewing in my mirror trailer is not swaying back and forth on the highway.

First set of tires were installed on the rims by a tire shop because the trailer came with defective tires. New tires say 80 lbs at max load. I don't know what the tire shop set the first pressures at.

But I set the next two tires at about 55 lbs being the rig is not that heavy.

I showed the boat dealer where I picked up an extra tire on Sat. how the first set went bald and he said he never saw anything like that before!

2 months ago when they first set the boat on trailer it did not have enough weight on the tongue so I moved the boat forward for awhile until I could move the axle back one set of holes which I did at a launch site.

I've been making these adjustments myself because I did not want to lose the boat for a week until the dealer got around to doing it!

All was well on the boats position (transom sit about 4 inches in from bunk end).

So I attributed the quick tire wear on the first set of tires to the first position of the boat on the trailer for a few weeks or a crappy brand of tire.

But now I put two new tires on and the went bald in 150 highway miles. If they were under inflated they would show wear on the outer edges. They don't, the wear is quite even across the tire.

So before I call a regional Shoreland'r rep because they now owe me 4 tires I wanted to see if anyone else ever experienced this. The Dealer comment is useless to me so I need to go over their head.

At first I thought maybe I had the axle off a hole on one side. It is fine. Then I thought the bearings are binding but they turned freely when I mounted the new tires.

I've been at a loss the whole weekend trying to figure out why this is happening. I was going to take pictures of the 4 tires and email them to the Shoreland'r Rep.

Now I can't use the boat because I can't put any new tires on until this is figured out.

Two months ago the original tires were defective (due to having a bead around the sides which made them look like re-treads even though they were new). The dealer said the original tires can't pass inspection, so I picked up two more down the street and the dealer reimbursed me back, so I could go boating that day.

My inclination is that since the original tires were defective maybe the trailer is out of alignment too?

Just measured where the axle sits from the frame ends to check for a manufacturing defect. There might be a 1/2 inch difference there. I could see one tire going bald from this 1/2 inch offset, but not both tires?
 

kenmyfam

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Re: Help! New tires bald in 150 miles!!!

Please take photos and post them here.
No matter what weight I have I always inflate my trailer tires to the max pressure advised on the tire itself.
Can't tell you how many under inflated blowouts I and countless other people out here have seen.
Are you using trailer tires ????...regular auto tires are no good for towing due to sidewall flexing.
If my tires only lasted 150 miles I would be taking them back to the supplier and waiting till he was bending over to deliver them !!!!!
 

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Re: Help! New tires bald in 150 miles!!!

Please take photos and post them here.
No matter what weight I have I always inflate my trailer tires to the max pressure advised on the tire itself.
Can't tell you how many under inflated blowouts I and countless other people out here have seen.
Are you using trailer tires ????...regular auto tires are no good for towing due to sidewall flexing.
If my tires only lasted 150 miles I would be taking them back to the supplier and waiting till he was bending over to deliver them !!!!!

Yes they are trailer tires. They come on their own rims.
I know I can go back to the place I bought the first set of replacement tires but it's not going to be their fault if the problem is related to the trailer itself being out of alignment.
The second set came from Shoreland'r or Lund I guess as the replacements for the original defective tires as the dealer got them.

The dealer also installed the first replacement set on my trailer so I would also hold them accountable for not checking for the correct pressure before I drove out of the dealership.

I'm aware of underflated tires blowing out easily. But max pressure with too light a load will cause uneven wear down the middle of the tire IMO.
But I never got a chance to see if this was the case because they both went bald in a matter of two hours driving time.

I'm going to take pics to send to the rep anyway, but it's dark right now. They are bald and mostly worn evenly straight across where the treads used to be!
 

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Re: Help! New tires bald in 150 miles!!!

Need to see some pics of the worn tires, the type of wear will help show what happened. Are the tires feathered or just worn bald all over? Are they choppy looking?
Most of the time when a tire wears that fast it's either a case of either a bent axle tube or spindle, very loose wheel bearings, or a misalignment between axles.
If the axle is bent, or if the axles are not parallel to each other it produces a scrubbing effect and can wear a tire out in a very short time.
Take a tape measure and measure the distance between the inner edges of the tire both front and rear of each tire.
 

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Re: Help! New tires bald in 150 miles!!!

it sure sounds like the axle is not aligned, or it is bent. i had the same problem on a pwc trailer. you can measure from the same place on the tongue of the trailer to the same place on the axle or tire, on each side. the measurements should be identical.
 

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Re: Help! New tires bald in 150 miles!!!

Measure for toe-in or toe-out on those tires. Sure sounds like a toe-in problem to me.
 

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Re: Help! New tires bald in 150 miles!!!

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3 lefts because the left side wore faster.

Measured from Tongue to each axle. Looks to be 1/2 inch difference.

No adjustment with axle holes as they are all round holes same size as the bolt.

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Inside tire measurements Rear inside: 58 7/16 Front inside: 59 1/2


Trailer manual quotes 5-7% tongue load. I did use a scale a few weeks ago and it's probably around 7% or I would have adjusted the boat back a little if it was to heavy.

Gross trailer weight tag says 1400 lbs. Boat, motor and gear less than 1000 lbs

I'll contact Shoreland'r later today to see if my measurements are within their tolerances.

First set of tires pressures set at 80 lbs (which is max pressure for full 1400 lbs load).

2nd set pictured below were set at 55 lbs because first set initally started wearing down the middle which I thought was due to being over inflated for the weight of the boat, motor and gear being less than 1000 lbs.

My guess is that this trailer is off specs.
 

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Re: Help! New tires bald in 150 miles!!!

i believe you have found the problem. it's not pulling straight, thus scuffing the tires.
 

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Re: Help! New tires bald in 150 miles!!!

And it has nothing to do with the tongue weight. Go get your tires and axle aligned.
 

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Re: Help! New tires bald in 150 miles!!!

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this rim shows signs of pothole damage :confused:

Tommays
 

Mike V

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Re: Help! New tires bald in 150 miles!!!

Need some curb feelers! ;)
Definately an alignment issue on the trailer.

Hopefully you can be done changing tires for a while!
Mike
 

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Re: Help! New tires bald in 150 miles!!!

I wonder- it's hard to imagine a new trailer being set up that far off at the factory. I wonder if that curb smack knocked it out. The U bolts would have to be somewhat loose for that but those are the kind of issues I ran into with my last trailer. The dealer didn't set up the bunks right so I started nosing around with the rest of the trailer and found the hardware wasn't a snug as I like.
 

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Re: Help! New tires bald in 150 miles!!!

"Inside tire measurements Rear inside: 58 7/16 Front inside: 59 1/2"

These measurements should be the same, it looks like the axle is bent to me.
Your tires are toed out more than an inch.

I would also look close at the possibility of either a broken spring center pin or bent axle. I see the damaged rim, maybe the axle is loose or has just slid back on the spring. A miss aligned single axle won't wear the tires that fast, but it will cause the trailer to track off to one side. It will create some added wear due to being pulled off center, but it won't scrub the tires down to nothing in 150 miles. Something is either bent or you have a cambered axle which is miss installed.

Most axles are cambered, meaning that they curve in the center to allow for some deflection when loaded, this curve should be downward, if somehow the axle was mounted wrong, with the camber not in the correct direction, it could give you tire wear. Normally an axle is drilled for a center pin, making it pretty obvious how it's meant to be mounted but I've seen some pretty sloppy installations before and nothing would surprise me. The most likely thing would be a bent axle caused buy hitting something, most light boat trailers have pretty light duty axles made of nothing more than light rolled or stamped steel. If the axle was bent only on one side, it may wear one side faster than the other depending on angle and weight.
 

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Re: Help! New tires bald in 150 miles!!!

I can not comprehend anything that could scrub BOTH tires in 150 miles and NOT be massively out of adjustment :confused:


You would think that trailer would be trying to pass you if it was that out of wack :eek:




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Update: called Shoreland'r this AM and rep said they did not have any issues with this model trailer.

They said I should bring it to my Lund dealer and they will work with them and if the trailer is bad they will replace it. They said they will also give me 4 new tires for the ones that were ruined or credit me back for the extra tires I had to buy.

BTW . . . that ding pictured on the cheap rim was made at the end off my trip on the gas station curb Monday night after filling up the boat with gas. Just caught a high curb under the pump.

But this rim was one from the "second" set of tires so that theory doesn't hold water because the first set of rims were dingless and bald too.

The dealer said it looks to him that the axle is bent somehow.

I did notice when looking at the axle after I unhitched it off the car that the U bolts holding the axle to the stack of springs was not at the bottom where I would think it should be. It was up an inch or soon the springs.

Also the rectangle shaped axle was not sitting straight up and down. It was tilted forward a little. I don't know if this is the way it just is or it's off from where it should be.

I left the boat there and he said he might have another axle in stock and will try to get the boat back to me ASAP. That would be great.

I'll report back when I hear their verdict, which I'm sure they will say I hit the axle somehow and bent it. If that is true than there would be marks on the axle and I bet there isn't any.
 

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Re: Help! New tires bald in 150 miles!!!

"Inside tire measurements Rear inside: 58 7/16 Front inside: 59 1/2"
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Many axles have a preload bend in them. So that when installed and not loaded the axle has an arch to it. The arch is always up when not loaded.

Which might give the measurements you posted with the 59.5" between the tires inside at top and 58.5" inside tires at bottom. Versus front to rear difference.

Is it possible the axle was bolted to the springs clocked 90 degrees from the proper position? Or if it has welded spring pads, they were installed on the wrong side of the square axle tube?
 

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"Inside tire measurements Rear inside: 58 7/16 Front inside: 59 1/2"
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Many axles have a preload bend in them. So that when installed and not loaded the axle has an arch to it. The arch is always up when not loaded.

Which might give the measurements you posted with the 59.5" between the tires inside at top and 58.5" inside tires at bottom. Versus front to rear difference.

Is it possible the axle was bolted to the springs clocked 90 degrees from the proper position? Or if it has welded spring pads, they were installed on the wrong side of the square axle tube?

I never measured the inside top and bottom because I figured if they were off it would show as uneven wear. My measurement was the inside front of the tire and the rear of the tire.

As to the position of the axle to the springs etc, I'm sure the dealer will comment back to me if they are fastened incorrectly because if I get it back and it still eats tires the dealer will have to cover the replacements.

Thanks for your feedback. Interesting on the possible built in bend on some axles.
 

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Re: Help! New tires bald in 150 miles!!!

Thaty condition after 150 miles then something is way, way out of alignment.
Your trailer has to be "crabbing" just like the old mini's used to do after a bad subframe repair. Shame you can not still run it and have someone follow you for a visual. You would most likely see your trailer wanting to do the sideways thing.
Good Luck and get it straightened out.
 

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You have almost an inch of toe-out. That is what is ruining your tires. Not springs, U-bolts, weight, etc.

The axle ends are not in line. Probably the result of a bad bang somewhere, sometime. Maybe it can be fixed, maybe it needs replacement.
 

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Re: Help! New tires bald in 150 miles!!!

And it has nothing to do with the tongue weight. Go get your tires and axle aligned.

Easy to say, but there are no adjustments to do this like one can with a car.

I mentioned the tongue weight to show that it's within the limits so as not to cause excess swaying.

Consensus seems to be a bent axle so far! Tough to "align" a bent axle!
 
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