Can I run a 88spl Evinrude without thermostats?

mdmaz17

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I replaced the thermostats and the high temp warning still comes on. The water pump is pushing H2O out at a stady rate. What is the problem?
 

F_R

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Re: Can I run a 88spl Evinrude without thermostats?

So, have you done anything about the water pump beside just assume it's OK? The pump is way more likely to be the problem than the thermostat. Removing thermostats will not fix a worn out pump.
 

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Re: Can I run a 88spl Evinrude without thermostats?

also it is not advised, as the engine will not be operating at the proper temp. the pump is not keeping up at higher rpms.
 

Franky219

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Re: Can I run a 88spl Evinrude without thermostats?

I had the same problem even after a new water pump and Impeller and it turned out the overheating alarm was malfunctioning. I'm glad I replaced those parts anyways and it wouldn't be a bad idea for you to do the same.
Is the water coming out the pisser real hot?
 

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Re: Can I run a 88spl Evinrude without thermostats?

Many engines are considered high performance engines and demand a thermostat(s), and many smaller hp engines also require a thermostat for the following reason. The pistons actually distort/twist off round when running. The thermostat is required to keep the outer wall surrounding the steel cylinder, and the cylinder wall itself at a temperture to compensate for the distortion.

With the thermostat removed, the difference in temperture between the inside the cylinder and the water jacket quickly reaches a point whereas (in effect) you have a oblong piston running up and down a round cylinder, or vice versa. Bottom line is without the thermostat, the piston and cylinder wall could be damaged in a short period of time.

The thermostat in your car isn't there simply to have the heater function properly..... think about it.Compliments JR

Heat switches, installed in each cylinder head, are in series with a "HOT" warning horn in the remote control box. Should an irregularity develop in the cooling system and cause abnormal water jacket temperatures, the switches close the warning circuit. A switch may be checked by submerging it in hot oil Using a test light to check the contacts and a thermometer to check oil temp., the contacts should close at a temp of 211 F + or - 6 and open at 175 deg F plus or minus 7.

To remove switches for testing, pull back insulating sleeves and open knife terminal connections. Remove cylinder head covers and switches. On installation, clean gasket surfaces thoroughly. Apply gasket sealing compound lightly to both gasket surfaces. Also apply the same sealing compound to top surface of heat switch grommet and again after cover has been installed. Install cylinder head cover using a new gasket. Reconnect heat switch leads and slide insulating sleeves over connections.
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: Can I run a 88spl Evinrude without thermostats?

If any doubt rests with the water pump, drop the lower unit and inspect/replace the complete unit.

(Thermostat Purpose)
(J. Reeves)

Many engines are considered high performance engines and demand a thermostat(s), and many smaller hp engines also require a thermostat for the following reason. The pistons actually distort/twist off round when running. The thermostat is required to keep the outer wall surrounding the steel cylinder, and the cylinder wall itself at a temperture to compensate for the distortion.

With the thermostat removed, the difference in temperture between the inside the cylinder and the water jacket quickly reaches a point whereas (in effect) you have a oblong piston running up and down a round cylinder, or vice versa. Bottom line is without the thermostat, the piston and cylinder wall could be damaged in a short period of time.

The thermostat in your car isn't there simply to have the heater function properly..... think about it.

(Water Deflectors)
(J. Reeves)

Water deflectors are actually lengths of 3/8" outside diameter rubber hose, installed between the top cylinder and any cylinder beneath it, and also between the bottom cylinder and the block. The purpose of the deflectors is to have the water follow a definite path around the cylinder walls. Unfortunately the deflectors between the cylinders will at times swell sideways due to either a previous bad overheating problem, or simply due to age and salt corrosion. This causes a water flow restriction which usually allows the water to cool sufficently at low rpms but not at the higher rpms.

This hose material can be purchased reasonably at any automotive parts type store if you care to make your own, or you can purchase individual deflectors at any Evinrude/Johnson dealership at a somewhat higher cost.

Removing and installing them can be a hassle at times, but not always. I use a sharply pointed scribe with about 1/4" of the tip bent at a right angle whereas I can reach in, jab the tip sideways into the rubber, then yank it out. It's necessary to clean the seating surfaces where the ruber contacts the block with a small rat tail file to eliminate salt deposits etc. When installing the new rubber deflector, coat the deflector and the metal surfaces with WD40 which will act as lubrication to allow it to go in as easily as possible.

Make sure that you insert something into that deflector area before cutting and installing the deflectors if you make your own so that you will be certain that they are the right length and also that they will be seated properly. Usually a very small amount will be left extending about the block sealing area..... simply cut the excess off with a single edge razor blade.
 

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Re: Can I run a 88spl Evinrude without thermostats?

I already quoted you Joe, :) Copied that thread since it was so well explained.
 

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Re: Can I run a 88spl Evinrude without thermostats?

If being quoted, please quote it in its entirety, otherwise it appears to be plagiarized. You omitted where it came from.
 

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Re: Can I run a 88spl Evinrude without thermostats?

Sorry, had compliment JR after it so ppl know you wrote it, I guess I should of quoted it better. Sorry again.
 

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Re: Can I run a 88spl Evinrude without thermostats?

Another possibility. There are two extremely small holes in the valve body in the thermostat housing. One for each thermostat. They can plug up with dirt/debris over time. If either plugs up, the cooling water will not get to the thermostat to tell it to open-causing an overheat. You need to pull the thermostat housing apart to check this.
 

mdmaz17

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Re: Can I run a 88spl Evinrude without thermostats?

I would like to thank all of you for taking the time to post responces. I will replace the waterpump again and reinstall the thermostats.

Thank You,

Mark
 

klotzy

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Re: Can I run a 88spl Evinrude without thermostats?

PUll your heads and clean the passages. Once your heads are off pull the cyl. water jacket. This is on the outer part of the head. Clean the corrosion in that section too. With a new water pump, t stats, water jacket and head gasket there is only one item left . The small rubber deflectors that you can see with the heads removed. Make sure they have not be distored.
 
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