Recommended vs. maximum hp.

thurps

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This is kind of an extension of another thread but I have noticed that boat manufacturers are now listing recommended vs. maximum hp.. Is the recommended hp. just so that you can add a kicker or why the difference?
 

Barnacle_Bill

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Re: Recommended vs. maximum hp.

This is just guess but I doubt a kicker has anything to do with it. Maybe because of the weight difference between 2 and 4 stroke motors.
 

JB

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Re: Recommended vs. maximum hp.

Many boats handle better and operate more efficiently with less than the max HP.

My personal experiences are mostly Boston Whalers, but here are three examples.

BW 13 Sport: I tried three engines on this boat (max rated for 40hp). The 40 handled just okay, the 50 was damned scary and the 25 was better than either of the big ones. Handled better, rode better and used a lot less fuel. The 40 would do about 40mph and the 25 about 27mph. That was okay with me.

BW Sakonnet 16: Rated for 100HP. That was on it when I got it. Later went to a 70hp and greatly improved handling and fuel efficiency. Seemed just as fast, but no speedo.

BW Montauk 17: Rated for 100. Again, got it with a 100 and switched to a 70. The 70 was a 4 stroke that weighed about 50lb more than the 100 2 stroke. Handled about the same (I redistributed weight in the boat) but used about half the fuel and only gave up 5mph top end. Would still do 40mph.

My current BW Striper 15 is rated for 70 but has a 50 on it and does just fine.
 

pwiseman

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Re: Recommended vs. maximum hp.

I will throw this in. Lund is saying max HP is X and recommended weight is a Max of Y. This I believe has to do with some situations where the difference in weight between a 2 stroke and a 4 stroke matters enough to affect how the boat sits and moves in the water. Most applicable to small to medium sized boats.

YOu are strarting to see wider beams and straking hulls in the smaller boats now and this helps with extra weight of a 4 stroke.
 

dajohnson53

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Re: Recommended vs. maximum hp.

Many boats handle better and operate more efficiently with less than the max HP.

My personal experiences are mostly Boston Whalers, but here are three examples.

BW 13 Sport: I tried three engines on this boat (max rated for 40hp). The 40 handled just okay, the 50 was damned scary and the 25 was better than either of the big ones. Handled better, rode better and used a lot less fuel. The 40 would do about 40mph and the 25 about 27mph. That was okay with me.
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I'm curious about how the MPG (as opposed to the GPH) played out with this boat. For instance, obviously the 40 gave more speed than you wanted or needed, but at a more moderate cruise, like 20 mph, do you know what the GPH was for the 25 vs. the 40? Obviously, for your use, the lower weight of the 25 was better, but I'm wondering if it really did use less fuel compared to the 40 if they were running about the same (lower) speed.

The reason I ask is that I tend to go right up to the HP limit of my boats because I tend to carry a lot of weight and therefore sometimes need all the power I can get. I've often thought that for a given reasonable cruising speed, a larger engine will get similar gas mileage to a smaller one because it's turning lower RPMs at that speed. The additional power (and the down side of higher fuel usage) is there if needed, but my theory is that it isn't a factor when not actually used. I've not actually tried various engines on the same hull like you have.

Of course, this doesn't address the handling difference you experienced with the smaller engine - interestingly, my boat handles better with more weight in the back. Thanks.
 

JB

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Re: Recommended vs. maximum hp.

I can only say that the 25 used less fuel, even though I seldom ran the 40 over 30mph.

A 13 foot boat with cathedral hull in the waters I fish is miserably uncomfortable over 25mph unless it is (rarely) flat.
 

thurps

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Re: Recommended vs. maximum hp.

JB; I presently have a BW 13 that I went from a 25 to a 40. I agree with you 100% about the ride but not necessairly the fuel econemy. I did run the 25 in fresh water ( Shasta Lake ) and moved to the coast, then put the 40 on. I can't imagine getting any better fuel econemy than I do just running on plane. the other difference is the 40 is on a jack plate. I'm keeping the BW but looking for a deep V in the 17'/18' range to chase albacore in.
 

Texasmark

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Re: Recommended vs. maximum hp.

I think that the recommended hp is intended to insure that you are satisfied with the performance of the boat. Sometimes special purpose boats need a minimum amount of hp to perform as the mfgr intended. I don't think it has anything to do with fuel economy realized by running a larger engine at a reduced throttle setting. My boat has a 3 step padded hull (3 distinct levels of hull at the transom and the last level is only about 10" wide) and the min rec hp is 90, max is 135. I run a 90 on it.

The boat is like a tub at lower speeds, but once you get up and on the pad(s) it's a different critter all together. Like I said earlier today in another post. If you add weight to the boat the hole shot gets sloppy, but once up and running you hardly know you added anything.

Speaking of reduced throttle settings, yesterday I was surfing www.old-omc.de again and remember seeing Johnny advertising their MPG improvement (around 1956 ) where you back the throttle off WOT. The spark stays advanced and the carb butterflies close slightly with better economy and a slight reduction in speed......so they said.

My 2C

Mark
 
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