70 HP Johnson 1978

dofunny

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I got a good one for ya. That old 1978 Johnson model number 7oEL78C runs 2200 rpm at wot in the water. Let me start over, in the water it idle good. When I put it in gear it run alright until I push that baby in WOT she want run but 2200 rpm. I can take it out of gear and the engine will run up to 4500 rpm. But put it back in gear and she want run but 2200 rpm .. I need help the motor runs to good to it in the junk.
 

1730V

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Re: 70 HP Johnson 1978

You are not running on all three cylinders. Two stroke outboards will rev up fine on less than all available cylinders.

First off, check compression. Should be over 100 psi and within 5-10 psi of each other. Next, check spark. If those are OK, you have one or more clogged carburetors. Those will have to be taken apart and rebuilt.
 

_brad_

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Re: 70 HP Johnson 1978

You are not running on all three cylinders. Two stroke outboards will rev up fine on less than all available cylinders.

First off, check compression. Should be over 100 psi and within 5-10 psi of each other. Next, check spark. If those are OK, you have one or more clogged carburetors. Those will have to be taken apart and rebuilt.



Agreed. Start with compression test.
 

jtexas

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Re: 70 HP Johnson 1978

and, don't run it like that more than needed for troubleshooting - if you have a cylinder starved for fuel (and I'm betting you do), it's also not getting lubrication. But do test for compression & spark first, need help with those just ask.
 

dofunny

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Re: 70 HP Johnson 1978

I'm betting on one of the carb are dirty. I'm going to take the carbs off tonight and check the high speed jets and clean the hole thing. Some one told me that it made be a bearing in the lower unit. I guess boat motors are not like car engine because if the compression or sparks was bad it would have a miss. This engine don't sound like it has a miss at all.
 

HighTrim

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Re: 70 HP Johnson 1978

Something else to check:

ENGINE WILL NOT ACCELERATE BEYOND 2500 RPM:

1. Use a temperature probe and verify that the engine is not overheating.
2. Disconnect the tan temperature wire from the pack and retest. If the engine now performs properly, replace the temperature switch.
3. Make sure the tan temperature switch wire is not located next to a spark plug wire.
 

Lodgepole

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Re: 70 HP Johnson 1978

After checking the above, you may not be getting enough fuel to winde it up. Could be a fuel pump, also be sure fuel lines are not sucking air.
I have a 78 70 hp John. Wasn't sold on the 3 cy idea but it has proven me wrong. Runs great and am getting 5200 at WOT on a 20 ft pontoon.
 

dofunny

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Re: 70 HP Johnson 1978

I took the carbs off tonight. Can anyone tell me were the hi speed jet are. I want to clean the jets and anything else I can see to clean.

I got these numbers off the carbs: This number was on the side of the carb. 32229

This number came off the bottom of the bowl. 313356G
 

HighTrim

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Im pretty sure you will need a special tool to remove those high speed jets, which you can make yourself. It is essentially a flat screwdriver belt sanded down parallel to a certain width to fit. FR and Tashasdaddy have good pics of them, try searching their threads. Do you have a manual?
 

dofunny

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Re: 70 HP Johnson 1978

Know I don't have a manual for that motor and you said it is easy to make. First I have to fine the hi speed jet. Which is more likely at the top of the carb. I notice when I was taking the carbs off one of the fuel line wasn't on the fitting very good. Maybe I need to put new fuel line on the motor. I check the compression and the sparks.

Standing at the back of the motor the top cylinder was 105 the second cyl 95 and the third cyl 115

The sparks pretty blue and white color
 

rolmops

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Re: 70 HP Johnson 1978

Stop whatever you are doing with that engine and go get yourself a manual.
Without a manual you are prone to make mistakes.
 

HighTrim

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Those numbers arent bad, the middle cylinder seems a little low, try a decarb and see if that evens things out a little. Invest in a can of seafoam, in a portable tank, mix 3/4 gallons of premix gas, an 3/4 can of seafoam, (assuming you don't have the vro connected). Put the remaining seafoam in a spray bottle, run the motor up to temperture, remove the plugs, one at a time, spray some seafoam into each cylinder and replace plug. Let it sit 15 minutes, remove the air silencer from the carb while waiting, restart motor, and spray seafoam into each carb, until it start to stall. Repeat until the seafoam is gone. Run out the remaining gas. It will smoke like it is on fire, and drip goo on the ground. Replace the plugs with new ones, and then do the compression check again. This procedure burns the carbon out of the motor and been known to free up rings and increase compression. If you cant get the jet out, you could always try some small wire then aerosol cleaner or compressed air to blast it out. The high speed jet is about half way up the side, in what looks like a long tube running the length of the carb. And finally like I said, a manual would pay for itself 100 times over.
 

dofunny

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Re: 70 HP Johnson 1978

I have to look at the carbs again but I saw long tube on the top which I was thinking that was it. I'm going to take the bowl off and clean everything down there to. When I had the boat out sunday I couldn't get it up on plane. When I went to WOT the boat came up in the front and went back down. It ran like a small engine motor not fast at all.....
 

CBINMN

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Re: 70 HP Johnson 1978

dofunny,
If you don't listen to anything else these great guys are telling you, GET A MANUAL. You will not regret it.There is a ton of useful info and diagrams.
If you don't the results may not be 2funny.
 

dofunny

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Re: 70 HP Johnson 1978

OK CBINMN
I will see about getting a manual but those great guys you are speaking about has some good idea. I would like to thank each and everyone for the help.
 

jtexas

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Re: 70 HP Johnson 1978

and stop running the engine!

there are many differences between your car's engine and your outboard motor, here are two:

1. Lubricating oil is mixed with the gasoline which means, a cylinder starved for fuel is getting no oil. You don't want to run it without oil.

2. that motor will idle all day on two cylinders and sound just fine doing it, until you put a load on it.
 

dofunny

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Re: 70 HP Johnson 1978

Hey JTexas

I took the carbs off last night and fuel mixer was in all three carbs so that told me that all the cyl were getting oil. I notice that someone did'nt put clamps on the fuel lines. They put wire ties on the fuel line hoses.
 

jtexas

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here's the deal: fuel in the carbs doesn't mean fuel in the cylinders.

otherwords, say for example you had #2 and #3 firing just fine, but #1 had a clogged hi-speed jet (happens all the time), the fuel in the #1 carb bowl would stay in the bowl, cause the clogged jet prevents it from getting into the cylinder.

meanwhile, #3 & #2 are dragging #1 through a dry hole. Might not seize up on ya, but good chance you've taken a few hours off your motor's service life.

What the operator experiences (I've been there myself as have I bet more than half the members of the forum) is, motor cranks right up, idles out of the no-wake zone with no noticeable issues, then you firewall the throttle and it starts to take off but never quite develops enough power to get on plane...might even die on you.

Course I can't know what's happening in your case, but that's the potential.

BTW, zip ties are factory spec, they ordinarily work fine until the hoses get old and stiff.
 
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