Disabled VRO and now engine loses power.

bobg3723

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I don't wish to be lugubrious, but maybe someone can spot where a problem was introduced or overlooked as a result of a VRO disable procedure.

I was talked into having the VRO disabled on my 90HP '88 Johnson by a self employed O.B. motor mechanic. He sold me this motor, and his rational was that he could not certify that the VRO would perform reliably. He did say that the compression check was sound and the motor was good to go. As per his instruction, I topped off the tank with 50:1 mix of the recommended oil and 87 octane gas and I would boat around until the fuel in the tank was down to 1/4 tank so that I can be sure to top off the tank with a verifiable 50:1 ratio of pre-mixed gas. Only then he would feel secure in disabling the VRO. I ended up topping off the tank with fresh pre-mixed gas about 4 or 5 times, and despite hard starting and sputtering when cold, it always settled to an continous idle when it warmed enough. I trolled around without a problem at the lowest throttle setting and it ran great at WOT with both the VRO operational and pre-mixed fuel in the tank. For several weeks I just topped off with pre-mixed gas until I finally decided to have the VRO disabled. So it went back to him for the procedure.

I caught a glimpse as he disabled harness connectors on the engine as well as cutting the oil supply hose off. He plugged the oil intake nipple with remaining short stub of the old oil hose and plugged it with a capped barb and tie-wrap. It couldn't have took more than ten minutes tops, and he was done.

And here's where the the trouble started. Not long after, I realized I had poured twice as much oil for the pre-mix into the gas tank on the motor's very first trip to the lake since the VRO was disabled. I crossed my fingers and hoped for the best. But after a couple of minutes of unscessfull hard starting, it was only when I got up to rope start my kicker when I saw that the fuel line was not connected to the Johnson. :eek: Dang it! The boat mechanic forgot to plug the fuel line back on. I plugged it in and primed the bulb. After several seconds of cranking the motor, it eventually started. But the motor just kept dying. It took about a couple of minutes of fiddling with the choke and start primer before the idle started to settle reluctantly into an slightly irratice idle. I opened the throttle up and could only get to 2000 RPM. Couldn't get anywhere near planing speed. More like limp home speed. It kept dying while maneuvering at low RPM's getting back to shore. Not good. Fouled plugs, I thought. :mad:

So, I loaded it back on the trailer, tucked my tail between my legs and went home to pull the fuel line off the barb and siphoned out all the remaining gas (I assume when the gas ceased siphoning out, the tank was empty of my incorrect premix for sure). In order of sequence I installed a new set of four QL78V spark plugs (specified in the owners manual for continous high speed operation) , 1 pint of the recommended pre-mix two stroke oil and six fresh gallons of gas. The gas thoroughly got mixed for 30 minutes of driving on and off the freeway as I went back to the lake. Before putting in, I pulled the fuel hose off the fuel barb and stuck the end back down the gas intake filler and primed the bulb to get fresh pre-mixed gas in the line, shoved the hose back onto the barb, plugged it back into the motor and I squeezed the bulb a few times.

I got on the water and tried to start. Huh? Exactly the same the problem as before! WTF!

So now it's not the fuel pre-mix ratio at the tank. Can an inadequateley plugged off oil intake nipple lead to problems? Has anyone encountered this before and what do I do about it.

Someone please tell me where to start troubleshooting. :confused:
 

bobg3723

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Re: Disabled VRO and now engine loses power.

Now that's a gotcha for ya. Disabling the VRO in the hopes of taking one less mechanical system out of the loop to enhance reliability holds no guarantees I guess. If it turns out that I have a failing VRO pumper that needs to be replaced or repaired to function as a convential 50:1 pumper, then I might as well rebuild it and retain the VRO. I've replaced rubber impellors on a kickers before and while I'm not formally trained as a mechanic, I've reasonably mechanically capable if I have the procedure explained.

The more I think about it, I'ld rather retain the VRO and replace the parts needed to maintain it's functionality. Or is this job best left to a certified marine engine mechanic?
 

ezeke

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Re: Disabled VRO and now engine loses power.

It does not follow that the change from mixing to premix on a functional VRO2 pump would have any negative effect on the pump.

If you have personally verified that there is no air leak from the closed off oil side of the VRO2 Pump, then you will most likely find that the problem lies elsewhere.
 

1730V

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Re: Disabled VRO and now engine loses power.

I agree that the issue is elsewhere. I can see no good reason for disconnecting a functioning oil injection system.

The engine should still run Ok with a heavy dose of oil. It will smoke a lot but run OK.

I believe you have lost a cylinder or two, probably spark. Do you have an inductive timing light? Rent or borrow one, if not.

Put the inductive lead on each plug wire while it is running. The light should flash on all four. If not, you know which ones are not.

Find another mechanic.
 

bobg3723

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Re: Disabled VRO and now engine loses power.

Thank you dajohnson53 and HighTrim for those links. Excellent information.

The pisser is strong, but I'll replace the water impellor since I've seen steady streams from an age hardened impellor in my kicker . Looking at the Trouble Check Chart of the Johnson owners manual, my situation seems to indicate then that the improper idle is due improper fuel mixture and power loss restricted or contaminated fuel. But I'll place an induction timing light to verify its pulse. Thanks for that tip, 1730V. The plugs have been run about ten minutes tops, but I'll pull them out a take a picture of it. Can I upload a pic? Maybe someone can tell me if they appear normal or glazed since I have no previous experience determining that on sight. If all the other systems check out fine and the compression is still sound, then I'll request that VRO be reconnected. I'll then replace the oil supply hose and siphon out the oil from the resevoir and fill it with a fresh supply. I'll continue running both the VRO enabled and pre-mixing the gas until I find time to replace the pumper for good measure.

Are there any manufacturer recommended retrofit kit to update the VRO system mechanics or electronics? Is there anything else not mentioned yet that I should verify is not a contributing factor?
 

bobg3723

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Re: Disabled VRO and now engine loses power.

My question is to 1730V or anyone else who cares to chime in.

Will continous cranking for a couple of minutes of a VRO disabled Johnson with its fuel line disconnected do any harm to the engine cylinders or electrical system?
 

bobg3723

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Re: Disabled VRO and now engine loses power.

I probably should connect a portable gas tank to rule out water still remaining in the OEM tank as a possible source of contamination, too.
 

bobg3723

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Re: Disabled VRO and now engine loses power.

I found the answer to my VRO update question in the document pointed out in one of the links. Again, thanks everybody for your input.
 

1730V

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Re: Disabled VRO and now engine loses power.

My question is to 1730V or anyone else who cares to chime in.

Will continous cranking for a couple of minutes of a VRO disabled Johnson with its fuel line disconnected do any harm to the engine cylinders or electrical system?


Not at cranking speeds, you're OK.

I suggest you remove the oil tank and dump it out. Get a new strainer sock at your local John/Rude dealer. Refill the tank and reprime.

Run 50:1 in your fuel until you notice a drop in the oil level of the tank. I find it best to draw a line on the tank for reference.
 
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