What's this world coming to?

[Scaaty]

Re: What's this world coming to?

Kids, ya simply AINT gonna stop human nature..plain, simple, on the news ("Hurl")..or not

 

[ANIMAL]

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It sure is a sad thing.Where were these teachers when I was a teen. Got most of that education while in the Navy overseas {PI, Hong Kong,Japan and Korea}....ANIMAL P.S. Loved those LBFM's.

 

[Haut Medoc]

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Yeah right! Dream on!

 

[Hoss]

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on a serious note, i believe the underlying problem is poor excuses for parents. parents that allow children to run the household and make the rules. when me or my brothers tried that we met my fathers belt.

i believe that our teachers in this country are pretty poor as well. i have a nephew is is 5 years old and is half-way through his kindergartin year. the teacher recomended to my sister that he be placed on drugs to calm him down!!! I'm sorry but if anyone can find a calm 5 year old boy... they better check his pulse.

 

[CJY]

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they are younger now than they used to be, but they are vicimizing our children when they should be teaching them.
I went to Catholic School and the nuns had a proper code of ethics.

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Please define, "they," for me.




"I went to Catholic School and the nuns had a proper code of ethics."


Are you serious......and the Priests also had that same code of ethics? Oh ya, you're correct, only teachers could do such things.

Teachers don't do anything to children....people do. Priests don't victimize children either, it's the person behind the title that does such things. Look at your local sex offenders listing and their addresses, I bet very few if any are teachers or priests.

It sure is fun pointing fingers at a profession based on a few, isn't it.

People can be bad, titles cannot.

 

[KeltonKrew]

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I say let her go..she's doing a better job of getting the illegals back to Mexico than our immigration system is

ps...there were teachers when I was in school that I would have let abused me many times (and I sure wouldn't have ratted them out)

 

[v1_0]

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i believe that our teachers in this country are pretty poor as well. i have a nephew is is 5 years old and is half-way through his kindergartin year. the teacher recomended to my sister that he be placed on drugs to calm him down!!!

A few years back a pre-school teacher recommended the same for my daughter.
I guess children are easier to control when they are doped up... (We just said "NO"! - but did get her tested by a doctor just to make sure there weren't any issues other than her being difficult for the teacher.)

It was mostly a matter of energy level: as a baby she averaged about 9 hours of sleep per day ("normal" is 15-18 hrs).

Now she's in 4th grade, and still very energetic. But she has control over it (most of the time) and is doing well in school.

She learned the control over time - we did away with TV, and applied parental guidance/pressure (as needed), and she worked through it.

The drugs would have probably done the same - BUT they would have removed the need to learn the self-control. Or worse: delayed it till she was older. I guess this is another fruit of the 'focus on today, let tomorrow pay' attitude that seems to prevail.

-V

 

[moterboat]

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No personal code of ethics is the problem. Is it because they are younger now than they used to be, poor upbringing maybe? Who knows, but they are vicimizing our children when they should be teaching them. I went to Catholic School and the nuns had a proper code of ethics.

I almost forgot to mention, they were also old and ugly.

then you were properly raised with discipline, Im sure if you did something wrong you would get cracked across the knuckles.. I don't see kids today getting enough discipline,most have no respect for adults at all. I have kids in my neighborhood that when walking down the sidewalk from school they will look dead at me while Im working on my car and throw a firecracker at me,then not run,just walk off laughing.. makes me want to move back to the 50's..

 

[1730V]

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A few years back a pre-school teacher recommended the same for my daughter.
I guess children are easier to control when they are doped up... (We just said "NO"! - but did get her tested by a doctor just to make sure there weren't any issues other than her being difficult for the teacher.)

It was mostly a matter of energy level: as a baby she averaged about 9 hours of sleep per day ("normal" is 15-18 hrs).

Now she's in 4th grade, and still very energetic. But she has control over it (most of the time) and is doing well in school.

She learned the control over time - we did away with TV, and applied parental guidance/pressure (as needed), and she worked through it.

The drugs would have probably done the same - BUT they would have removed the need to learn the self-control. Or worse: delayed it till she was older. I guess this is another fruit of the 'focus on today, let tomorrow pay' attitude that seems to prevail.

-V

I believe what you are doing and have done would be called torture by many. CPS is on their way.

 

[wildmaninal]

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I have a young relative 9 year old or so that was classified as mentally ill by the school, my uncle took him to a shrink and the shrink said he is just a high energetic boy, they put him on Ritalin and needless to say it really doesn't help him. I was punched right in the mouth by this little punk that claimed he was just pulling a prank on me. My nieces on the other hand I dread it for them as for my brother and his wife are racist and use terms around them that they pick up pretty quick. I stayed with them at one point and it wasn't for very long and I moved out, even watching TV something negative (not alway racist) came out my nieces' or brother's or sister's mouth, I really couldn't deal with that. I sware it even corrupts my mind to be around people that think that way.

 

[waterinthefuel]

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Look at your local sex offenders listing and their addresses, I bet very few if any are teachers or priests.

Because the law forbids them to work as either. I personally know one sex offender that used to be a teacher. Of course he isn't anymore. His offense was on the computer and had nothing to do with any of his students.

Teachers don't do anything to children....people do. Priests don't victimize children either, it's the person behind the title that does such things.

Yes, it is the teacher that offends, the priest that offends. If Mrs. Jones is my 6th grade math teacher and she takes me to her house and has sex with me, I am having sex with my teacher. She is my teacher on or off the schoolyard. That's a sick excuse, you can't separate teacher from human, they are one in the same. She is in a place of authority and she's abusing that power. That's sick.

 

[BoatBuoy]

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Yes, it is the teacher that offends, the priest that offends. If Mrs. Jones is my 6th grade math teacher and she takes me to her house and has sex with me, I am having sex with my teacher. She is my teacher on or off the schoolyard. That's a sick excuse, you can't separate teacher from human, they are one in the same. She is in a place of authority and she's abusing that power. That's sick.

Then just wind up and hit her with a baseball.

 

[puddle jumper]

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Just remember when it come to under age sex "in the teen age world" what is a girls night mare is a boys wet dream. At least thats how society treats it. Now saying that when i was a teen i knew many girls that could not get enough sex right up till thay got cought and then it reverted back to my original comment.

 

[kmk_7110]

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I'm 17 and about 2 years ago there was graduation partys for then the seniors and the guideance counselor was said to have hooked up with one of the graduating class and another was to said to have partied without some clothes. The counselor got fired and the other teacher still has her job. We as our class wonders why the other teachor didn't have something done to her. The counselor and the male were both of age of consent so I don't understand why she was fired, but that is not of my worry. She was able to figure out class schedules much better then the one we have now but I guess its my last year. There was no big thing in any paper and the only was we found out about it was from kids who had brothers and sisters at the party or had parents that were on the school board, and most of the town didn't know of this.

 

[CJY]

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Because the law forbids them to work as either. I personally know one sex offender that used to be a teacher. Of course he isn't anymore. His offense was on the computer and had nothing to do with any of his students.



Yes, it is the teacher that offends, the priest that offends. If Mrs. Jones is my 6th grade math teacher and she takes me to her house and has sex with me, I am having sex with my teacher. She is my teacher on or off the schoolyard. That's a sick excuse, you can't separate teacher from human, they are one in the same. She is in a place of authority and she's abusing that power. That's sick.

So, did Mrs. Jones have sex with you because she is a teacher, or because she is a sick person? And don't give the both crap, otherwise I am sure you fit one of the categories given below.

Again, teachers do not commit the crime, people do. In other words, it is not the title that makes them do what they do. If that were the case....hmmm, I bet there are boaters, fisherman, hunters, police, medical doctors, lawyers, factory workers, cab drivers, window washers as well as people from every other part of society that has commited such crimes, that does not mean all with those particular titles do such bad things.


The law forbidding teachers from teaching after committing these crimes has nothing to do with statistics. I would be willing to bet, on the national average, teachers(former, if that makes you happy) make up less than 1/10 of a percent of the offender population. If I am correct, that would mean 99.9% or more comes from other areas of society. Quite often, it's a friend or relative of the family.

Anytime an adult offends a child it is an abuse of authority. Teachers are not the only people children see as figures of authority. From top to bottom, it is sick, not only when teachers do such things.

 

[waterinthefuel]

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I agree with you bud, any time any adult in a power role does something to a child it's sick.

But you still are separating teacher and person from within the same individual. Was the it the teacher or the person that took that child to Mexico? It was BOTH, because she was both a teacher and a person!!! If a police officer molests his neighbor, is he doing it as a cop or a person? BOTH!

As far as your made up statistic, if anything, I would say that more teachers than not (as a function of percentage of population) offend against children because they have the most exposure to them. If you live in the woods 10 miles from humanity, you aren't at the same risk to offend as someone exposed to a thousand children 5 days a week.

 

[ob]

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As far as your made up statistic, if anything, I would say that more teachers than not (as a function of percentage of population) offend against children because they have the most exposure to them. If you live in the woods 10 miles from humanity, you aren't at the same risk to offend as someone exposed to a thousand children 5 days a week.

I couldn't disagree more with that logic.Most sexually abused children are abused by family members.That's a fact,not my opinion.Moreover ,there are and have been countless predators that live singly and whose occupations don't involve close contact with numerous children that prey sexually on them.Teachers are in the minority when it comes to sexual predation.They just as of late have been getting more media exposure.Frankly,I wouldn't want any of my young children anywhere near an adult who lived 10 or more miles away from humanity in the woods ,as you put it.

 

[domains]

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When i was in 10th grade, My english teacher held me back at lunch stating my grades were low. When i went up to her desk she pushed out her bum squeezing me there for 2-3 secs ,then bending over when showing my notes. I kinda froze not knowing what was going on,till i pieced it all together when she unlocked the door for me to leave. This was 20 years ago .

 

[CJY]

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As far as your made up statistic, if anything, I would say that more teachers than not (as a function of percentage of population) offend against children because they have the most exposure to them. If you live in the woods 10 miles from humanity, you aren't at the same risk to offend as someone exposed to a thousand children 5 days a week.

No, I did not make the stat up, I just could not remember the exact number......I invite you to put me in my place and prove it to be incorrect.

You also said, "more teachers than not," What does that mean? 51% of molested children are molested by teachers? What a crazy thing to suggest, think or worse yet, believe.




As far as living in the woods away from people......perhaps the parents of Jessica Marie Lunsford would be interested in that made up statistic.

Out of respect for iboats policy, I am finished with this thread now.

 

[gonefishie]

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Yeah common.....lets end it! It not like they went robbing bank together or went home and had a smoke out sessions. If the kid wasn't being forced to do so then who cares. There were an English teacher, a French teacher, and an Analytical Trigonometry "practice teacher" that I would have slave for and not a word out of my mouth.