'66 Woodson Restoration with pics

Nandy

Commander
Joined
Apr 10, 2004
Messages
2,145
Re: What am I about to get myself into?

Re: What am I about to get myself into?

The link that tashadaddy gave you will be of great help. It is very informative. Look at http://www.shareaproject.com and search for boats. Lots of good info and photos there.

Since the boat will not be in the water for months at a time your choice of paint and prices has widened greatly. There were a few threads about paint and if you could find them or someone can point them out they will be great for research or you can start your own thread about it.

As far as I know most of the manufacturers do not use fiberglass between the upper deck and the hull. What you are seeing is probably some repairs. I would try to cut them from the outside with a hacksaw or a circular blade. You might have to replace the wood that hold the upper deck and the hull but that is not much. Make sure there are no cables there or anything else.

Maybe your boat is old enough that the foam was not mandatory back them. My Babcock was built in 1969 and did not have any foam but it did had the Coast Guard Plate. Of course, it could be that someone else already removed it, but I think it would be apparent to you that someone put their paws there first. Some use empty 2 litter soda bottles for floatation to try to not go back to foam. Even modern foam will suck water if the boat is not properly stored and given time to dry. Even with your best effort, I'm sure the foam will suck some water eventually. I never replaced the foam in my boats. It is mandatory for the manufacturers to install it but not for the individual as far as I know. I have told the new owners of the boats I sold that it did not have floatation. Most of them had no idea it was used in the boats…

I will try to find that link for the HIN. I thought I had it on my bookmarks but it is not there. I found this one http://www.boathistoryreport.com/. It works but is not the one I remembered. It was posted here but the search did not find it for me. This will give you the information you already know. You can calculate the maximum hp you can use and the max amount of people you can have in the boat using the formulas in this page http://www.boatsafe.com/kids/599kidsques.htm. If anyone has the formula to calculate the maximum weight with people and motor included it will be of help. I have no idea if there is an “official” place you can get that Coast Guard plate done and approve by the coast guard.

I don’t think you want the deck to have a water tight seal to the hull. The hull will eventually get water under there from a small crack and if there is nowhere for that water to go you will have guess what? Rot. Now, there are places where you want your epoxy or polyester resin to make a seal. Like sealing your deck by itself before installing it in the boat and the same goes for the stringers and transom. But you need holes that will allow the water that might get under the deck to flow to the bilge of the boat so you can let it out with the use of a bilge pump or the removal of the drain plug. As far as waves, last storm I got caught up in the lake put every second wave inside my trihull. I was taking the waves at 45 degree, but no help. If I did not had a bilge pump that would have been my last trip on that boat. It got scary anyways, make sure you have a bilge pump, better, 2 pumps. We can talk about that when you get to the point of planning for the wiring of the pump/s. Other than that, you WILL get water in your boat if you plan to take a dip in the lake. Especially if you are using the boat as a diving board, with y’all coming in and out of the boat all wet. You can also get some water when you are underway and are hitting the waves. Even the small ones can make enough mist to put a bit of water in. Which bring us to the next topic.

You can really use any carpet you like. The problem will come from mold and other smelly things that will get in a regular home carpet. If you are a sucker for carpet, like I am, you can go the outdoor patio carpet route. That carpet will stay cleaner and will be easier to maintain. However, not using a carpet at all is the best option as far as keeping humidity out of your boat and making it easier to clean. The only thing you have to be careful is to make sure the paint or material you will apply to your deck will be one that is non-slippery. Some will use paint that is made just for that, some just add sand to the paint. There are other compounds that are rubberized, other are like the compound you apply to the bed of a pickup truck. Some will just add some removable tiles. There are a lot of options in there. Just ask and I will let the expert talk. I did the outside patio carpet and I am happy with it.

As far as your trailer, you are probably aware we have a trailer forum. A lot of help and ideas there.

That is all I have. Hopefully I shared some light more that make it all cloudy!
 

wildmaninal

Lieutenant Commander
Joined
Jul 14, 2007
Messages
1,897
Re: What am I about to get myself into?

Re: What am I about to get myself into?

Well it's some kind of progress though. The stringers (floor support) will half to be replaced from what I see, but it actually doesn't look all that bad but it's hard to tell. Check them stringers out for any wood rot.

I hear ya on the hoisting idea, if that doesn't work out for some reason just revert back to what I mentioned in my other post in this thread and try another method.

Good luck with the restoration, I'll keep a watch out for ya.
 

Nandy

Commander
Joined
Apr 10, 2004
Messages
2,145
Re: What am I about to get myself into?

Re: What am I about to get myself into?

Be very careful when you get to the gunnel area. The impact of the hammer can crack the hull. You can also use a circular cutting disk, with what you have taken out already it will probably be the ticket to finish the small segment in the gunnel. Others will use a grinding tool to grind that little edge of the deck comming off the gunnel. If anything close to half or more of the stringers are rot I would take them all off. If the rot is mininum and have not gone trhu the entire wood I believe you can use antifreeze to kill it, then give them a good cover of epoxy or resin. You seem to be determined, that is good. Good luck...
 

Nandy

Commander
Joined
Apr 10, 2004
Messages
2,145
Re: What am I about to get myself into?

Re: What am I about to get myself into?

Take some photos, give us a "look see" to see if we can help with the upper deck issue.

I would give those stringers a new nice coat of epoxy or polyester resin at the least. You can ad a bit of mat, but be careful as you dont want to add much more height to the stringer.

I was just like you, I was hoping my Babcock would have enough space so I could either put the gas tanks or the batteries under the deck. No way, I even thought about raising the deck a bit, but that would change the feel on the boat and the space under the helm would have been too small for my legs.

Keep the good work. Try to document your work, maybe upload it here or in that shareaproject place.
 

pduquette

Ensign
Joined
Jun 22, 2007
Messages
999
Re: What am I about to get myself into?

Re: What am I about to get myself into?

Definately Marine Plywood ! OSB will swell/split/Disentrgaete with any moisture . "Not for aquatic fun!!" For flooring / deck parts glass all sides.
 

tabbott

Petty Officer 2nd Class
Joined
Feb 12, 2005
Messages
117
Re: What am I about to get myself into?

Re: What am I about to get myself into?

You have taken on quite a project. I have thoroughly enjoyed all the reading up to this point. I've got an Orlando Clipper waiting for the same treatment. But for now I'm gonna enjoy the watch. Keep posting and happy restoring!
 

SgtMaj

Lieutenant Commander
Joined
Nov 19, 2007
Messages
1,997
Removed

Removed

Removed
 
Last edited:

Nandy

Commander
Joined
Apr 10, 2004
Messages
2,145
Re: What am I about to get myself into?

Re: What am I about to get myself into?

You are doing great progress. Since you are redoing this boat you can probably make a hole in the bilge any way you want. From the photo that hole looks low enough but Im sure im missing something.
You should have a hole so any water in the port or starboard stringers can drain into the middle of the boat then finally to the bilge. Have those holes sealed with epoxy or resin.
As far as seacast, that is a superb material. The only problem I see is the price. Sure, your boat WILL NEVER ROT the transom ever again. So you dont really have to worry about any holes that you will put in as long as they do not go completely through the transom.
However, I probably would not use seacast, I would much rather use wood. If the work is done properly, all holes are sealed properly you should not see rot in that boat again. For me that takes seacast out of the picture. I dont keep boats too long either. This trihull is going to 8 years I believe and it will probably be gone this season. However, if this is a boat that you will pass down to your kids or grandkids then I would say seacast is a good investment. One more thing against seacast in your case is that since you have never been in the water with this hull you really dont know if it will behave the way you want. But again, seacast is a very good material.
You are doing a great job!
 

jcsercsa

Captain
Joined
May 21, 2007
Messages
3,401
Re: What am I about to get myself into?

Re: What am I about to get myself into?

Hi all , Dont feel bad , I got my self into the same thing here I bought a glastron T166 from a guy around the corner , now he told me that the motor was strong and the boat needed some work !!!!!!! well i looked at it had him start it twice and took it home , so took it out and got 1000 yards off shore and it died got back in and talked to a buddy and he said you just fauled out the plugs so got new plugs and went back out , made it about 1 and half mile this time !!!!!!!!!!!! &^*%$$^%^ well anyway took it to a merc shop and ne told me the 900 90hp was shot frist two were down to 65 pis so On ebay I found a 1000 100 1962 merc got a really good price and man does it run !!! well hes where I can help , had to change the remote , It wasnt hard I even went as far as changing the chock and the key switch !! mine was in a lot better shape It you can wire at all its not hard !!!! and started this winter ripping it apart !!!! Yesterday I just cut out my frist of three stringers , I got the braces out of the trans and thought i was going to have to replace the trans but its perrty sold so I was thinking of just re glassing it in and new braces !! and i was thinking of the same thing in the pvc boards!!! thinking of doing my stringers in them too !!! I will post some picks soon there on my cell phone !!! Well i didnt mean to rattle on but i know how he feels have been there and now i am seeing the light of spring in the water !!!! lol wishful thinking seeing it 25 out side right now !!! John
 

jcsercsa

Captain
Joined
May 21, 2007
Messages
3,401
Re: What am I about to get myself into?

Re: What am I about to get myself into?

Ohh yea I was all so thinking of cutting some pvc tubbing in half the long way and running it next to the stringer , glassing it in, when I tore it apart there was 3 inchs of water in there , when they made the boat it didnt have any drainage to the back !! and when i do the floor i am going to do a double floor the frist one I am going to cut hole in it about 1 inch holes about a foot and ahalf apart , then use some pour foam in there then lay the second floor !! What i have read on it it will give me about 960 lbs of dead weight lift Its just a idea for yea !! John
 

aerospot

Seaman Apprentice
Joined
Nov 18, 2007
Messages
38
Re: What am I about to get myself into?

Re: What am I about to get myself into?

My situation is similar. Purchased a 1978 Four Winns "Marquis" Bow-Rider with a mercruiser 140 i/o off of Ebay. Spent $1000 having just viewed pics on web and a couple of emails. It is a donated boat and the selling agency had limited knowledge about it. I drove to Akron Ohio the day after Thanksgiving this year and towed my prize home packing it into the garage.

This time of year in NW Pa the weather tends to get chilly and I haven't gotten much done except the basics. Noticing the past owner I checked the phone directory and called the number. The previous owner was pleased to speak to me about any particulars he knew that I should pay attention to. He indicated the engine indeed runs! The floor was over-layed with 3/4" plywood and carpeted a couple years ago due to the original floor softening around the pass-through area.


Having some warm weather this weekend I removed the fold-down helm and passenger seats as well as the home-made aft jump seats. The engine cover was made from particle wood and needs to be re-fab'ed from good ply.
Contemplating my options and looking over the now bare deck I am weighing the depth that I want to venture in making this a 'project'. I love the boats lines and the deep-V design of the hull. The transom appears very solid with no signs of rot.

I could order a new fold down seat and bucket for the helm and passenger, re-fab an engine cover with upholstery and call it done. For it's intended use of pulling kids and grandkids tubing and skiing it will fit the bill. But I would be angling to use it as a trade within the next couple years.

The other option is to strip it to the core and build up all new from the stringers to the gunwales. This would amount to a great deal of labor, not to mention cost and I suspect it would exceed logical limits when added up...

Sounds like I'm answering my own dilemma huh?

Still, I have a craftsman steak in me and believe I would love doing a project like this and that the gratification of the finished product would justify some of the expenses. If done it would most certainly become a family heirloom and be handed down through time! Decisions, Decisions...
 
D

DJ

Guest
Re: What am I about to get myself into?

Re: What am I about to get myself into?

The deck (a.k.a) floor is a structural part of the boat. That doesn't mean that you could not add other structure to compensate for a removeable floor (deck).

You're well on your way. It sounds like your stringers are OK. Did I read-hollow?

The transom may not be that hard. Just cut the top off of it and fish the old wood out. You can make up a new one by sandwiching plywood together. Once done, just re-glass the top back on.

This is a great learning experience. Once done, you'll know more about boats than 90% of the boaters out there.

We'll be here to help.
 

Nandy

Commander
Joined
Apr 10, 2004
Messages
2,145
Re: What am I about to get myself into?

Re: What am I about to get myself into?

Setbacks are not unusual. You are sticking to your guns and doing a good job. Make sure you talk to the seacast pep and let them know that you will be pouring seacast in top of seacast in a transom. I know if it was resin you will have a problem with the chemical bonding after so many days but I have no idea about secast. It might be different.
 
Top