4.3 to sbc question...

SuperNova

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Re: 4.3 to sbc question...

I already did this same swap in a 1986 Wellcraft Elan 197. Here is what I learned: 1- The motor mounts move 3". Mine were lagged into the stringers so I just filled the old holes and drilled new ones once the motor was in place, then re-lagged it with new bolts. 2-My alpha 1 gen 1 had 1.62/1 gears in it and I ran props from a 21" pitch 4 blade stainless Trophy to a 26" 4 blade Merc Bravo. With a stout 355 9-1 comp and edelbrock Performer rpm alum heads and intake, roller rockers 1.5/1, and a crane mild marine cam with 216* at .050" lift and .454" lift, I could over-rev the 21" prop even with three skiers out the back and a full load (people, gear and fuel) on the boat, there was NO plane time, the boat literally leapt out of the water and if you were turning 3500 rpm and floored it--it would press you back in the seat--hard! Top speed was 54 mph at a throttled back 5000 rpm. The 26" prop took a little more plane time--but not much-- and top speed was never noted, but was somewhat faster than the 21" and had a max rpm of 5100.

I then swapped the 1.5/1 alpha outdrive from my BIL's 260 hp setup and used a 23" Cleaver 3-blade. With just me in it, it hauled a lot faster than the 1.62's and the 26" prop, but with six people in the boat it struggled to get on plane and after about an hour running, we destroyed the upper gears. Turned out we sheared a few teeth off the ouput gear of the upper set. On a side note--I installed a set of heavy duty 1.5's in the drive for my BIL and he has run and is still running the drive with absolutely no further problems. My recommendation is to go with the heavy duty 1.5's as his original set was the regular duty versions and they failed. Another side note is the 1.62 drive is back on my boat and I put another few hundred hours on it tubing and skiing and have since sold it to a friend of mine who has beat the daylights out of it for the last two summers and it doesn't bother him to spin it with a 23" cleaver to 5600 rpm and it is still going strong. Draw your own conclusions.

If you go with the 350, the biggest advantage is the added torque--if you do nothing to the engine and keep your drive gear ratio and the same prop, you will have the same top speed you do now, but the boat will come out of the water much faster---then you adjust prop and gears to get the exact performance you want. The alpha will handle it with proper maintenance and a little common sense. They tell me the alpha shouldn't be spun past about 5000 rpm input shaft speed (eng speed).

Lastly, when you are figuring if it will fit in your engine bay, don't forget to take accessory placement into account--I thought mine would fit with no problem, but ended up having to clearance the engine hatch for the p/Steering pulley snout and belt.

Overall, the swap was well worth the effort and I would do it again in a heartbeat---but I swore i would never buy another I/O boat under 23 feet again and I never will.
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Re: 4.3 to sbc question...

OOPS.. clearly on reliability for a 4.3 with that much power, even with the built lower end...


Right now with the set-up I have, 1.84 gear ratio, I can turn a 23" laser 2 to 5000 rpms or a 26" turbo to 4600. BOth are vented props and the boat steps right up on plane with the 2-3 people that are usually in it. The 4.3 that's in it is new, and should be at the upper end of typical hp for that engine. If swap to the 355 or 383, I plan to try the same gear ratio with an agressive 29 / 30" custom 4 blade prop I have on hand, and see where to go from there. If it gives slip numbers at higher numbers even close to ehat it did at lower rpm's (3000's), it'll put me well over 70 before overrevving a small block. If that's not enough or if I handgernade the outdrive, then we'll change gear ratios in the new outdrive...

Thanks for the hint on the accessories... I actually looked carefully at what things would look like if I moved the 4.3 5 inches forward with all the front end stuff that would be the same... and there was room for that. Have a nice sized engine compartment.

why never another i/o on shorter boat again??? I'm kind likin it so far...

Till... I learned to ski on the illinois river.... behind a 35 hors 50's vintage evinrude... ON stringers.. they seemed pretty solid when I had the 4.3 out... but since have to move em and since considering a major change in horsepower... I think it would only be prudent to make sure the stringers are rock solid...

Thanks a bunch everyone for the help...
 

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Re: 4.3 to sbc question...

why never another i/o on shorter boat again??? I'm kind likin it so far...

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I run in the Chesapeake Bay a lot and under 21' is too small to run hard in the big water with the family on board and the I/O drafts too much to run in the shallow water on the upper bay, plus when you figure in the added maintenance of the I/O setup and extra stern weight and the loss of interior space--I just prefer O/B on anything under 23' for on the Bay.
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Re: 4.3 to sbc question...

I run in the Chesapeake Bay a lot and under 21' is too small to run hard in the big water with the family on board and the I/O drafts too much to run in the shallow water on the upper bay, plus when you figure in the added maintenance of the I/O setup and extra stern weight and the loss of interior space--I just prefer O/B on anything under 23' for on the Bay.
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thats interesting....
im on a lake and the biggest water we get is short swell 6 footers. avg freeboard and yer ok...

and btw...hows that 383 with nitrous workin for ya?

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thats interesting....
im on a lake and the biggest water we get is short swell 6 footers. avg freeboard and yer ok...

and btw...hows that 383 with nitrous workin for ya?

oops

I know--it's not a problem with the boat getting swamped--it's a problem with a wife and 3 girls under the age of 6 who don't like to get bounced around.:D I used to boat in the same body of water in 12'-19' boats with little trouble. But I have decided that I/O have too many disadvantages in smaller boats for my taste.

The 383 is nasty and expensive to run. I burn a 10 lb bottle of juice in under 48 seconds when I hit the button. Good thing the engine makes over 600 horse by itself. It's a 12.7/1 comp, victor jr, solid lift cam with 246* @ .050" and can spin 8000 rpm all day long. My cost (jobber) on the build was $7500.00- no expense was spared. I might sell it due to lack of use. I just don't get the time to go to the track as much as I used to--might be the three kids.:D
 

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Re: 4.3 to sbc question...

nova thats wild!

now yer makin me hungry

so when EXACTILLY will i see that mill on e-bay?????
keep the bottle. that motor would be nice in my boat!!!!

straight track or circle?
 

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Straight---1/4 mile. It'll run 12 flat on the motor with a throttle stop. Have to do that b/c there is no rollcage in it. I made one run one time up at Island full blast juice and all. It cut a 1.4 sec. 60-foot and 10.74 at 138 mph and tech met me on the return road and re-inspected me then threw me out and told me not to come back until I could pass a 10 flat inspection.:D Haven't been back since--started going to Maple Grove and Numidia and kept it cool. I just don't want to cage it.
 
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