Yes it's true my engine is still not aligned.

[brokemerc]

Ok i'm on my second alignment tool,, I even just had this one turned down an additional 3 thousandths just to be sure it would fit. To recap, my 1995 bayliner capri, 3.0, gen2 engine cracked,,, picked up a complete 3.0 from a 1989 searay.. Searay engine is installed with the front mount and bell housing from original motor, coupler is from original engine (flywheel is from the searay engine with started from searay. I originally had the engine installed with all the searay parts and was able to get the alignment tool in but I had to beat it in (with hands only).. Took the original tool down to the machine stop to re-mic it and found it bent,, had a new tool made and that's where I am now.. I have adjusted this engine all the way up and all the way down, the tool will go in smooth until it gets to the coupler then bang it hits it. I'm tempted to go get a new coupler and new fiber washer and special spring washer for the rear mount.. The whole thing is about to get towed in shortly to the marine shop.. Just to add I did torque the front and rear mounts when installed.

 

[Don S]

Re: Yes it's true my engine is still not aligned.

Don't forget, the inside of the gimbal bearing can move independent of the outer race. You may need to align it to the coupler. Best thing to do is move the bar around till it just starts into the coupler. Then bump (by hand) the bar side to side, up and down. This will set the gimbal bearing. Now start adjusting the engine up and down. Repeat the side to side, up and down bumping till everything gets lined up at the same time.
Did you try the bar in the coupler BEFORE you put the engine in? Check it on the other coupler, the splines are the same on all of them.

 

[JustJason]

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Took the original tool down to the machine stop to re-mic it and found it bent

How the heck did you bend the alignment tool?!?!?!?!?!?!? If it's the merc one you can use that thing as a hammer and not bend it.

Is the gimbal bearing a new one or old one? May be easier to remove the bearing to check the coupler (which will probably destroy it).... which in case if it's an old bearing, who cares ya should be replacing it at this point.
If it's new... hmmm... can you get a cherry picker or hoist on the engine? Trying lifting up slightly to see if that helps.

 

[brokemerc]

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Finally,, yes that bearing was cocked and finally aligned itself with all the wiggling around and the bar slid right in.. All seals replaced,, now to stuff this drive.. (Yes I bent the 1.375 inch steel bar,,, the machine shop was impressed too...)

 

[achris]

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Are you aware that you have to 'read' the grease marks on the tool. It's not just a matter of being able to get the tool in. Before you put the tool in, put a decent coat of grease on the end. When you remove the tool you'll see the grease has witness marks in it as to which part of the tool was touching the coupler. If it's the top, the engine's got to go down at the front. Obviously if it's the bottom of the tool touching the coupler, the front has to come up.

And maybe I could teach my grandmother to suck eggs.

Chris...........

 

[brokemerc]

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Engine aligned, mount tight, drive installed. I need to pick up a pump to fill the drive, is it possible to just keep filling the reservoir until it comes out the vent hole? I know this would be a slow process but would it work?? I'll probably be posting yet another isolator question unless I figure out these wires..

 

[Don S]

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is it possible to just keep filling the reservoir until it comes out the vent hole?

NO! It will NEVER get it full.

Any marine store or Merc dealer will have the little plastic pumps that goes on a quart bottle of gear lube. And you will need 2 quarts.

About 10 bucks, Merc PN 91-802891Q 2

 

[brokemerc]

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Well i've put about 2 qts into the reservoir so far,, seems to be working.. It's going somewhere>>>>

 

[achris]

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Don's right. You need to fill them from the bottom up. You will never get all the air out any other way..... You'll risk destroying the top bearing pack though lack of lubrication....

Chris............

 

[Bt Doctur]

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IF you managed to get 2 qts in from the top, you definitely have a leak from the drive somplace.Do what Don says. Get the right pump and fill from the bottom or else you will need a new/replacement drive.

 

[ziggy]

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that merc pump dons shows is the way to go man. works really good for what it is...... go with what the folks is sayin, fill from the bottom.....it's the only way......... on a side note. the pump dons is showin has a plastic fittin to go into the drive. its the one i got too. if ya can get the old style. it has a metal fitting and can be made into a drive pressure tester..... might get away with the plastic one two for double duty too. i don't know......

 

[brokemerc]

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Thanks, will pick one up today..

 

[brokemerc]

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Yes you were right,, the second time I filled the reservoir I turned the lights out and left,, this morning I went into the warehouse and about 1.5 quarts of outdrive oil was on the ground.. I took both plugs out and pumped a little over a quart in from the bottom drain hole until it came out the vent.. It's been about 5 hours and it hasn't leaked a drop.. Put some water to it and a new battery and to my amazement I got it to start but have to constantly pump the throttle to keep it running,,, I'm sure this will turn into a separate post.. Thanks for the help...

 

[Don S]

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Well, where was it leaking???????
While filling the reservoir won't fill the drive, it also should run out somewhere.
Did it leak from inside the boat or outside?

 

[brokemerc]

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Like I said when I arrived this morning there was about a 3 foot circle of oil.. It was dripping from the back side of the drive looked to come from under the anode plate,(reservoir completely empty), around where the speedo hooks up.. I wiped it all down and serviced it properly from the bottom and it hasn't leaked so much as a drop all day.. Ya got me,, I would figure if the reservoir puts oil to the drive when the level drops below a certain point then why not fill the drive from that point,,, well for whatever reason you were right and it can't be done,, it was doing alot of burping while I was filling it from the bottom, didn't sound happy.;;

 

[Don S]

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Is there gear lube inside, in the bilge? That would run out the boats drain plug, did you look in the bilge by the plug (Inside)?

There is nothing that should leak when you put lube in the reservoir. So even though you haven't seen the leak, there is one somewhere. They do NOT heal. You DO have a problem, at this point, you don't know where, or why. But unless you missed the hole a lot when filling the reservoir, you still have the problem.

I also think you are underestimating the amount of oil.
A quart will cover a lot more than a 3' circle.

 

[brokemerc]

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No it is definately not leaking inside the boat in the bilge.. I saw a couple drips like I said coming from under the anode plate by the shifting mechanism and spedo hook up.. If theres a problem why isn't it leaking now that I pumped about 1 and 1/2 quarts in from the bottom up and not a drop on the floor,,, well tomorrow morning may tell another story.. I also ran the motor today and no leaks afterwards. After running the motor I pulled the top vent plug just to double check the servicing and oil ran out.. I'll check it again in the morning. I'm not denying that I may have a problem but fixing a leak that doesn't leak may be hard..

 

[Don S]

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As long as you are aware there is still a problem, that will help. Just keep a close eye on that reservoir. Milky or low, find out why.

 

[brokemerc]

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Yea I'm anticipating a milk shake in the reservoir. Any ideas about it only wanting to run if I pump the throttle back and forth? I've got another carb but I think i'll try spraying some carb cleaner in this one first. Plus I only had about 2 gallons of gas in the tank, not sure if that could have contributed.. Also checked the oil and it was 1 qt low.. So topping off the oil, cleaning the carb and will try it again tomorrow.. Just hope there isn't a puddle on the floor (had to hide the other under a cardboard box to keep the wife from killing me..),, Thanks for the help..

 

[Don S]

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Start a new thread with a new problem, or your question will be lost.