Jeep Commander **ANOTHER UPDATE** GOT ONE!

[SpinnerBait_Nut]

Re: Jeep Commander **UPDATE** What would u do?

Re: Jeep Commander **UPDATE** What would u do?

I drove a new LIBERTY and I only got about 15mpg....Anyway once a friends dad went to the local chevy dealer and walked in with check book in hand and pointed to a new truck parked outside and said : I want it just tell me how much to make out the check for" The dealer was afraid to give him a straight answer so he didnt buy squat........true story,. I think there is an unwritten rule that tells all the salesmen to NEVER give a price untill you size the SUCKER UP and find out how stupid he may be to some fast talk and fast figures.......why let a guy buy the car before you figure out if there might be some way to get him for more.

Same here. I have bought 6 new vehicles since 2004 and they were all bought with cash/check in hand.
My local dealer would not figure me a price that way so I had to go to NC to deal.
N/P, we dealt and they delivered.
best bunch going, IMO.

 

[DJ]

Re: Jeep Commander **UPDATE** What would u do?

Re: Jeep Commander **UPDATE** What would u do?

I've stated this before: Don't let a dealer sour you on a brand.

With that said, everyone needs to understand that dealers are independant businesses. They have a lot of lattitude in how they conduct their businesses.

In my experience and a lot of it. Dealers typically fall into one of the following criteria.

1. Strong new vehicle seller-only.

2. Strong used vehicle seller-only.

3. Strong new and used-only.

4. Strong throughout. New, used, parts, service.

Fortuneately, for us, the vast majority are number 4.

With that said, a typical dealer has very little room to move on a new car price. Why? You can shop a new car price.

A typical dealer has a lot of room to move on used. Why? You cannot effectively shop used cars because every one of them is unique. You may think they are the same but they are not. They have been driven by different drivers, perhaps in different areas and the mileages are NEVER the same. Add in maintenance and you get UNIQUENESS.

New vehicle profits are made on F & I (finance and insurance).

Good dealers make a good portion of their operating expenses on parts and service (fixed operations). They have a loyal customer following and treat people right to continue that.

For a somewhat educated consumer, car shopping should not be a game. The key is to know what you want and do not automatically deviate. That requires homework.

There are some great salespeople out there that really do care. They will tell you that you may be looking at the wrong product and they will back that up with simple to understand facts.

I know this is hard but when you car shop, leave your emotions at home. I see car shopping the same as buying a new TV or toaster. It is an appliance that happens to move you from point A to point B.

 

[eeboater]

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Re: Jeep Commander **UPDATE** What would u do?

Well, I picked up a New to me Commander last night.

The place we bought it at was a Jeep dealer in a smaller town in the middle of nowhere (about 1.25 hour drive to get there...) The shopping experience was superb. I had them email me a factory spec sheet on the vehicle I was interested in yesterday afternoon... I knew it was exactly what I was looking for and I told them that.

They had the Jeep sitting out front waiting for me to test drive, they took it in their shop to allow me to see it in the lights in warm conditions and they let my wife and I take it for a drive on our own without a salesperson nagging us in the back seat.

It is exactly what we wanted and it is the first time I have ever left a dealer without a bad taste in my mouth. I give my kudo's to Chuck Van Horn Dodge in Plymouth, WI; it's nice to know there are decent dealers left on the planet.

I'll get better photos this weekend but here she is!!

 

[DJ]

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Congrat's ee. Looks GREAT!

 

[tashasdaddy]

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give all you info on the other dealer to the state attorney's office. false advertising, bait & switch.

years ago, i traded a 78 Grand Prix, for a Blazer "Demo". in traffic, on the way to a football game, i was looking for something in the glove compartment. found the previous owners registration, they had sold me a used car, as an untitled demo. went back the next day, they had wholesaled the GP. they ended up giving me a brand new Blazer. i had talked with my attorney earlier in the day.

 

[jay_merrill]

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I agree with DJ on new car price. Average profit on the typical new car brand is no where near $3,400. This is especially true of any brand that has a significant presence in the buyer's market area, because there will be many independant dealers selling the brand within a 50 mile radius of that city. This puts a buyer with even average negotiating skills in the superior position, because he/she can bounce from dealership to dealership working price.

At the dealership where I worked, the used car department typically made more profit on their deals than the new car department did. In fact, just before I decided to leave automotive sales, I was looking to transfer over to used cars. My reasoning was simple ... bigger margin = bigger commission.

On your original deal, I don't think I would have gotten too worked up about the games the salesperson was playing. Some sales people will simply name a price that they want to get on the car and while they may dicker a little, they won't budge much because they don't want to waste the time working a deal in which they will make little money. How much they can get away with this is a function of how many cars they sell each month. If they are consistently high producers, most dealerships won't bug them too much because they know the guy down the street will hire that person in a heartbeat, if it gets to a fight about the issue.

I think what I would have done is to simply figure out what the car was worth to me assuming that it was an untitled car, and what it was worth if it was used. At that point, I would have tried to make my deal and if I couldn't with the sales person, I would have called the sales manager into the discussions. If I still didn't get the deal that I wanted, I would have walked.

It is true that most states have laws requiring dealers to have available what they advertise at the price that they advertise it for. That is why you usually see a stock number or VIN somewhere on the ad. The question really becomes, however, how much time do you want to spend fighting about it. I would certainly give that argument a go with the sales manager and do a bit of "posturing," but I wouldn't turn in into a long drawn out ordeal. Frankly, its just too easy to go somewhere else to get a good price. I think your experience is case in point because you found a vehicle that you are happy with and you feel like you were treated with respect.

At any rate, enjoy your new wheels!