johnson HD-20 2.5hp parts?

jbjennings

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I really like these little motors and would like to build myself a small wooden boat to put one on. Problem is, I suspect the parts are all obsolete.
Anybody have any idea if you can get ignition and carb parts for it? What about the year?
Do you have to be a sure 'nuff restorer to fix it? Is it one of those motors that wanting is a lot better than getting? Are they reliable if you do get them running?
Thanks,
JBJ
 

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Re: johnson HD-20 2.5hp parts?

Those motors are a dime a dozen. Tons of them around. They are good, but lots of obsolete parts. Unfortunately, finding used parts shouldn't be a big problem. If you get one drop me a line. I have the parts and service manuals for them. However, I've never worked on one so I'm no use to you that way.
 

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Re: johnson HD-20 2.5hp parts?

They are a lot more finicky than the 3hp that replaced them. It uses the old center magnet magneto, which is about bulletproof except for dirty points...that you can usually fix. New ones are available but pricey. The carb is simple but obsolete. There is a guy at aomci that makes re-pop primer cups for it. You can use a Mercury float
 

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JBJ I have 3 of the HD25's but have never done anything with em. They are a dime a dozen literally!

And Wayne, you have the manuals for the 2.5's? I never got em! :):)
 

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I guess ya'll know I'm about to whine about how I've never seen one before and they're not so plentiful around here. I think those little suckers are NEAT. But, seeing as how F-R thinks they're a little finicky, I probably couldn't fix one in a zillion years with Ole Evinrude himself staring over my shoulder giving me tips. I sure would like to try, though! Maybe I'll place an ad myself for one on the aomci site. Why haven't you fixed yours Steve? Seems like they'd be fun little motors to crank up every once in a while just to hear 'em run. thanks for the info. guys.
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They're so common they used to come in cracker jacks boxes up here!

After I got em cheap and heard they were finicky and parts scarce they moved to the bottom of my list!

If you look closely in the pic below the urinal you'll see a few of em! Along with some TD's.
 

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I just love lookin at Samo's pile of motors. Next time someone visits my shop and wants to know why the heck I have six outboards on the rack inside the shop, three on stands outside, two on the boat, and boxes of disassembled motors, lower units, flywheels, carbs and power heads under the length of my workbench, I'm gonna show them Samo's pics! :D
 

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Re: johnson HD-20 2.5hp parts?

As stated earlier, they are simple to work on, If memory serves this particular one must set high speed needle on carb first, then low speed.

Points as stated almost always need cleaned when you first get it, coils are really good ones.

And yes they are all over the place. If parts are needed you can place an ad on the www.aomci.org website in the free webvertise section and you will get an answer.

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Ha... ok, here's a pic of the slightly more organized 'other' side of the shed!

And what the heck are you guys doing up at 3-4 am for? Sheez...
 

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Re: johnson HD-20 2.5hp parts?

I prefer the other side of your shed, Steve. Also, I'm a liar. I have TD manuals not HD.

I bought a couple motors from a guy in December who tried to give me a TN in the deal and I'd have nothing to do with it. Also see tons of them at AOMC meets for sale CHEAP!
 

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I figure if I get enough TD's and HD's that eventually I will have enough parts to get 1 or so going... eventually... But I'm in no rush! They're small and easy to store.
 

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I now hate everyone.....they're everywhere, they're so cheap, they're easy to work on, I've got 20 of 'em.........WELL THERE AREN"T ANY AROUND HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Anyway, what exactly is "finicky"? And why can't you fix one, Steve? What parts usually are broken? Come on now, I gotta know, what is finicky????? Is it hard to set the points, carb, get the timing right?
Are the lower units junk? I placed an ad on AOMCi, that I'm looking for one, and that I'm also looking for an old 25hp and that I have some old mark 10 parts for trade or for free........Of course, I get emails about the free mark 10 parts.:) When I win the lottery I'm going to go to all those aomci meets in Canada and northern U.S. and buy ALL the old motors.:D:D Then of course they'll outlaw 'em.
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JB, I think what I said is that they are more finicky than the 3hp that replaced them. We all know how the 3 is such a sweet running motor, that you just pull the rope and go, and it runs perfect without any fiddling once you set the carb one time and forget it.

The 2.5, first of all is a 3rd port motor with a rotary valve added. The internals must be in good condition for it to run right. Not such a bad deal, but it takes some understanding the system. In reality, it has two carburetors, though it doesn't seem that way. The main carb feeds the high speed through the 3rd port and then there is a second induction system at the rotary valve that supplies idle fuel. Again, it is not such a bad deal, just different. The idle needle has to be precisely adjusted, and there is considerable interaction between it and the high speed adjustment so if you are not aware of the peculirity, you will spend all day trying to get the dang thing adjusted. I know, I'm sounding like a broken record, but it's just different.

Depending on the year of the HD-25, it may have "Maverick Spark Suppressors". So when you run up against those things, you will say what the heck...? Once you understand, it's no big deal either.

It has a wobbler type water pump. That's good, but did I mention different?

I'm sorry if I came across as saying the HD is a POS. If it was, they wouldn't have been able to sell so many of them. In fact, in good mechanical conditon and some loving tinkering, they will do very well.

One thing about it, you will never run a HD hot. At the first hint of overheating, the fuel boils in the carburetor and the motor quits, and you will tear your hair out trying to figure out why it won't keep running.
 

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Thanks F-R,
That just took the taste out of my mouth for one! Sounds WAY too complicated for me. I do like the looks of some of those old 3's but not as much as the HD-20 2.5. That little sucker is cute! I've never had a 3 but like the way you described it. Bad thing is, everybody else must like 'em too, because you can get a 7.5 or a 10 for dang near as low as those little 3's. There is a really nice looking one on ebay but it is already up to $163 and there's 5 days left! I think the 3 would be best for me with that weedless set-up because I have lots of moss in LA. Thanks for taking the time to post that info. It sounds like a fun challenge to get one running but an aggravating one as well. Some of my easy 50's motors are hard enough for me to get right. I still haven't got that darn QD-14 right.
JBJ
 

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FR said it well! That's why they sit in the shed... I've been turning my attention to 3's. I have 2 now. All the ignition and carb parts are common with other and later models... Nice n easy! But they are a tad less common up here also... I see 10's the most, 5.5's next... 18's are up there also... 7.5 and 3's are the rarer ones.

Just bought a '58 18 FD-11 on the weekend The guy had painted it camo colors for duck hunting. What is it with duck hunters that they want to wreck a great paint job! Sigh... (I'll post pics later)... the good part though was both cylinders were at 115psi! wow! I think that's the highest compression of any engine I have!

But I also agree with you, my HD25's are darn cute!
 

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Dang SamOTT, that is HIGH! My favorite 18's only have about 105 to 108 and they run like NEW! One with 115 should REALLY idle smooth and run fast!
One more thing, this duck hunter doesn't paint his motors camouflage! Of course, that guy has his to use and not to cry over every time he gets it dirty! You have got to fix up one of those 2.5's and post a video of it running so I can hear it......I know you can handle the little varmint!
Later,
JBJ
 

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Tell you what JBJ, I'll give you a FREE HD25 if you get it running and post a video :) But you gotta come get it!

p.s. 40's are also pretty common up here...
 

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Hold out for an Evinrude Ducktwin 3hp and you won't have to paint it---it comes that way.
 

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Hold out for an Evinrude Ducktwin 3hp and you won't have to paint it---it comes that way.

Good luck finding one of those cheap! I'd love one.
 

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Want a real rare one? How about a folding Ducktwin with the carrying case? No, I don't have one. I'd sit up at night with it if I did.
 
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