Paint question for above waterline

drewmitch44

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Now im looking at the Interlux brightside web site and im wondering what you can thin that stuff with?? I think im going to get the "Pre-Kote" primer and the "Brightside" paint for above the waterline. I think im going to get the color "yellow". I thought that i had seen a color called "fighting lady yellow" on their site at some point. Maybee it was a different manufacturer. Anyway, do i need to thin this paint out? If so, what do i use to thin the paint with?? I plan on "rolling and tiping" as my application method. Is this the best/easiest method to use? And does anyone know will that yellow color by Brightside be glossy? I want it to look as professional as possible so i want to be able to see a shine on my boat. Are you supposed to use that primer that i spoke of with this paint and what kind of paint should i use for the top of the deck and the floor or deck inside the boat?? This is what im planning to use on the side of the hull above the waterline. I also am going to need paint for the topside of the boat and around the consoles and what not. What paint is suggested for that?? If anyone has any advice please let me know! Thanks for any input!!
 

TheWoodCrafter

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There is a thinner for Brightside made for brushing snd cleanup. Buy a gal. of that. The paint is glossy, yes. Pre-Kote is the right primer.
Why not use Brightside for everything? Just buy it in quarts. It is not a good idea to mix brands of paint on the same job. You can add a non-skid material for the deck.

You can also use Brightside below the water line if it is a trailed boat.
 

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Lots of questions there, I'll tackle a couple. Fighting lady yellow is a Perfection color. Yes Brightsides will be Glossy. You need to verify this with a few others, but I am almost 100% sure the thinner is standard Xylene or Xylol. I got a gallon at Home Desperate for cheap . . . like $17 or so. You can figure some of this stuff out by looking at the MSDS . . .
 

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Lots of questions there, I'll tackle a couple. Fighting lady yellow is a Perfection color. Yes Brightsides will be Glossy. You need to verify this with a few others, but I am almost 100% sure the thinner is standard Xylene or Xylol. I got a gallon at Home Desperate for cheap . . . like $17 or so. You can figure some of this stuff out by looking at the MSDS . . .

Ill number my questions this time! Thanks a lot! Someone on a different thread said the same thing!! I was hoping that it was the thinner for the "brightsides" that was the one that was the generic thinner. 1)-What was the thinner called that you bought at home cheapo? Also is it the same thinner used for "brightsides" also used for the "Perfection" line?? That will save me some bucks!!! 2)-I like that fighting lady yellow but from what some people told me is that brightsides is a lot easier to apply than the perfection and the whole thing about being able to get the thinner at home cheapo is another plus. 3)-Also this is a boat that is on a trailer so i guess i can paint the whole thing then which will be great!! Thanks a lot guys!
 

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4)- is there a price guide somewhere for the interlux paint lines??? Thanks again!!
 
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4)- is there a price guide somewhere for the interlux paint lines??? Thanks again!!

Yup, at a competitive site that starts with west------.

Your thinner question was answered earlier in your post. See below.


Lots of questions there, I'll tackle a couple. Fighting lady yellow is a Perfection color. Yes Brightsides will be Glossy. You need to verify this with a few others, but I am almost 100% sure the thinner is standard Xylene or Xylol. I got a gallon at Home Desperate for cheap . . . like $17 or so. You can figure some of this stuff out by looking at the MSDS . . .
 

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If you by more than one container of paint, it is not a bad idea to mix all the containers in a large bucket and then pour them back into the original cans. The color is different cans is not always exactly the same. By mixing them, there is a one hundred percent chance they will match. This may not be necessary but it is cheap insurance.

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For adhesion purposes, Brightsides doesn't need primers if going over virgin gelcoat or other single part poly paints. Interlux has several of their own "correct" thinners for Brightsides but mineral spirits works just as well. The main difference between them is evaporating time. Mineral spirits has the slowest evap time when compared to Interlux thinners.
 

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So you are saying that i can use "Mineral spirits" to thin the brightside paint? How do you know how much to thin it out?



I think im going to go with brightsides "yellow" as the color that i choose. Im going to use the Interlux "pre-kote" primer. I am just curious as to how much paint im going to need. Im hoping that i dont need more than 3 qt's. Thanks for all the help.
 

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Re: Paint question for above waterline

Here's an article that may be of some interest to you:

Applying Polyurethane
by Don Casey


The reason it?s called a mirror finish. Polyurethane paints allow for staggering good looks.

Call me unlucky, but Olga and I just experienced the eye of a hurricane for the second time in ten months. This is not from reckless behavior?we were south of the so-called hurricane belt both times. How this relates to the subject at hand is that I have seen a fair amount of damage assessment lately and in nearly every instance one of the big-ticket items was painting.

So let?s talk about putting the gloss back on a damaged or aging hull. If the insurance company is picking up the tab, by all means insist on the best professional you can find and from him or her demand perfection. Since a bag full of money is going to change hands here, you should get the kind of finish that dazzles, unmarred even by a blemish only you would notice. Likewise, if your index fund is finally off life support and breathing unassisted, and you want to celebrate by spending some of your new-found wealth on your boat, find yourself a paint-gun wizard. My regular readers will know that I put beauty at the top of my list of boat-selection criteria. Allowing that beauty to fade causes the relationship between owner and boat to also lose vibrancy. Nothing restores a boat (and the pleasure of owning her) more dramatically than a fresh mirror-like finish on the hull.


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"There are just four requirements for getting a perfect finish."
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What about the rest of us, those unwilling or unable to part with $150 to $200 per linear foot to have our hulls painted? Must we resign ourselves to dull boats and discontented lives? I think not.

Here is the formula. Painting the hull yourself with a roller and a dry brush cuts the cost by more than 90 percent but diminishes the result by less than 10 percent. It is one of the few bargains we poor sailors ever get. And if you are unwilling to settle for an ever-so-slightly less than perfect finish, you can make up that deficit and more by perfecting your technique and waiting for the right atmospheric conditions. The slower solvent used for polyurethane applied by roller can, in fact, deliver a gloss level superior to that typically achieved by spraying.

Don?t take my word for this. Invest around a hundred bucks in a quart of two-part polyurethane, a quart of thinner, a fine-finish roller cover, a $20 badger-hair brush, and some tray liners, mixing buckets and stirring sticks. Unless you have a reason to select a different paint, you are likely to get your best results from Interlux Perfection, which is formulated for do-it-yourself application. Now go paint something.

To get a feel for what the paint is capable of, the best practice surface is a piece of glass?window glass, not fiberglass. Painting glass means that all flaws you see afterwards are in the paint, not the underlying surface. Stand the glass up to simulate the vertical orientation of your hull topsides.


Polyurethane paint jobs are like any other kind of paint job in that the brunt of the work is surface preparation.

There are just four requirements for getting a perfect finish. The first is the right tools, which you already have as long as you bought a solvent-resistant foam or mohair roller cover and a first-quality badger-hair brush. The second is perfect surface preparation, which is going to be where you spend your time when you actually paint your boat but is a non-issue when the surface is clean window glass. The third requirement is low humidity. Two-part polyurethanes are moisture sensitive, and you will not get stroke-free flow-out if the humidity is above around 65 percent. Painting only on dry, cool days and not in direct sunlight allows the paint to flow out water-smooth. The fourth requirement is exactly the right amount of thinner in the paint, and this changes slightly from day to day depending on the weather. The trick to getting the thinner right is to sneak up on it, which you can do without risk when practicing on window glass.

Keep in mind that this initial effort is only to make a believer out of you, so all you are after is a foot square of high gloss, stroke free finish. A quart is good for about 125 square feet of coverage, so start with two ounces of base mixed with an ounce of curing agent. This is way more paint than you need, but some additional paint is required to wet out your roller. By the way, you would be wise for this experiment to cut a 9-inch roller cover into thirds and buy yourself a three-inch trim roller frame. This will let you get three practice sessions from a single roller.

Interlux Perfection paint is a new formulation, replacing Interthane Plus, and in some conditions this paint can be applied without thinning, but you should expect to get better flow by thinning the mix at least 5 percent by volume. That means you should add about a teaspoon of thinner to your 3 ounces of mixed paint. Record exactly what you do, including the temperature and humidity, to give yourself a better starting point for future mixing.

Pour your mixed and thinned paint into a small paint tray, load your roller, and apply this paint to the glass. Immediately draw your dry badger-hair brush horizontally across the paint application, using the lightest touch possible. Now wait. If after about three minutes the brush strokes are still visible, you need more thinner. Tilt the tray to collect the paint into one corner and add just a few drops of thinner. Stir, reload your roller, and paint on a fresh test square. Keep thinning, painting, and waiting until the brush marks disappear.


Let?s see, a $150 a linear foot times 35 feet times both sides of the hull? Applying the paint by hand won?t break the calculator or the cruising kitty and, with some experimenting out of the way first, can bring just as good a finish.

If the paint runs, sags, or curtains on the glass, you have added too much thinner. This requires mixing additional paint to correct, so you want to try to develop a sense of when you have added the maximum allowable amount of thinner. Too much thinner will also rob the paint of some of its gloss, so it is better to err on the side of not quite enough.

When the paint flows out as smooth as the glass underneath, you have the mix just right. The more important result is that you now know what quality of finish YOU can achieve with this paint

If you are using a light color, you should also roll a test area without tipping it out with the brush. Pigment inhibits the flow of dark colors, but white and light colors can often be applied without tipping, giving a glossy finish with a very slight texture that many find quite pleasing. If the rolled-on only finish satisfies you, it makes the real application that much easier.

You are almost certain to be astonished by the appearance of your very first try with this paint, but if you are not satisfied, do it again?and again?experimenting with both the mix and the application until you get the result you want. Only then will you know you can get a similar result on your boat. But don?t go from the glass pane to the boat. There is more to rolling and tipping than painting a single square. Find yourself a dinghy or a dock box and paint that first, learning how to maintain a wet edge and how to tip the fresh section without marring the section behind. By the time you have done that, you will have made most of the learning mistakes and you should have in hand both the technique and the confidence that will allow you to get a spectacular result painting your hull.

All you?ll need is a couple more quarts of paint.
 

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Couple of quarts of paint is expensive though!! Im hoping i can get by with just using 3 qt! I was at lowes tonight and asked them if they had any urathane based paints. They guy asked what i was doing and i told him it was for a boat and he sudjested this stuff http://www.olympic.com/for_professi...ultra_interior_exterior_alkyd_paint/index.htm . He said that it would be verry glossy and said that it would give a mirror finish to it. Any ideas on this? I am trying to spent as less as i can but i want to get a good finish to the boat! I would love it to be verry glossy!
 

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Ohh and they also can get anything that "rustolium" makes. I remember hearing that rustolium makes something that is good for boats. What is the rustolium paint thats good fot boats?
 

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So you are saying that i can use "Mineral spirits" to thin the brightside paint? How do you know how much to thin it out?



I think im going to go with brightsides "yellow" as the color that i choose. Im going to use the Interlux "pre-kote" primer. I am just curious as to how much paint im going to need. Im hoping that i dont need more than 3 qt's. Thanks for all the help.

Yes, mineral spirts for thinning Brightsides and any other single part polyurethane. I've been using mineral spirits with Brightsides (and other brands) for 20+ yrs. A U.S. Paint Co rep originally told me to use it with poly. 10yrs later you can tell no difference in a paint job with mineral spirits compared to speciality thinners.

Thinning can be done on a piece of glass like posted on the Casey pasting. Although somewhat contrary to what he posts, experts paint often enough to know how much thinner to use without using the glass method. It's a good method to use if starting without previous experience. I pour and stir to do it...no measuring at all. It's all about the temp and humidity. Add thinner until the paint glides easily and lays down. Thick paint sags, thin paint lays down. Thinner evaporates out of the mix while you are painting...more will need to be added when the roller or brush starts dragging. Once you do a couple of sections it will be clear how to do it. It isn't rocket science. First timers can do beautiful jobs.
 

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How much brightsides do you think i will need billp? You have been a huge help!!!! I mean how manny qts? and you were saying before that i dont need to use their primer? I can just do what i got to do to get everything flat then paint with brightsides? Thanks again!!
 

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With thinning and waste figure about a qt per coat for just a 20' hull. It totally depends on how you lay it down. When changing colors figure on 3 coats. Future coats over existing Brightsides only take 1 coat. No primer needed. just clean the surface well and lighty "scratch" the surface with 120ish grit sandpaper. Hulls can also be prepped using compound and buffer with bonnet. When ready to paint, do a final wipe down with mineral spirits or "their" solvent and start painting.
 
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