1966 evinrude that just woke up!

[evinice66]

this is my first boat and im kind of worried, ive read alot of super informative stuff on this site and just happily joined. since im not as mechanicly enclined as i want to be a had one of the most well known late model outboard re-builders in milwaukee wi. get it going, i told him to make it dependable.... $438 dollers got me
a carb re-build, pull cord tweeked, spark plugs and a new thread in one, compression tested good, cleaned and re-gaped timing points,
its a 66 40 hp evinrude lark that has been sitting since 1989...
should he have messed with the water pump?
he said water is circulating good, but its been so long, it starts on every pull but is that water pump going to be a problem????
THANK YOU!!

 

[evinice66]

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[wbeaton]

Re: 1966 evinrude that just woke up!

You need a new water pump impeller at the least. You can save a few bucks if you do it yourself.

 

[HighTrim]

Re: 1966 evinrude that just woke up!

A boat sits for 19 years and he doesnt replace the waterpump/impeller?

No wonder he does so well rebuilding outboards, after the first outing, you would have been getting yours rebuilt too

There is a good thread in the FAQ about "Awakening A Sleeping Outboard"

 

[F_R]

Re: 1966 evinrude that just woke up!

How's that steering working out for you? You must have very little steering arc. Will the motor tilt all the way up without binding and possibly breaking something?

 

[samo_ott]

Re: 1966 evinrude that just woke up!

The engine looks great. Has it been re painted? I have a '66 18HP that looks like a mini one of those!

 

[evinice66]

Re: 1966 evinrude that just woke up!

the steering is ok ... but the boat has not been in water yet, it has a pretty good radius and its ok when i put the motor all the way up... i spent like 4 days painting the white and just put a excellent gloss over everything after and it made the blue and red just like new... as far as the water pump though
this guy is seriously the best guy in milwaukee, is there maybe a chance its an old school pump that just goes and goes?

 

[Lakester]

Re: 1966 evinrude that just woke up!

hello,

well, i have learned some things about water pumps recently. i'll pass it on. the advice here is consistant... replace the pump if it is more than 2 seasons old. but why?

well, i discussed it at length recently with several knowledgeable outboard repair/service guys. one reason, of course, is that the rubber, if it is rubber, ... the rubber vanes could get hard from a variety of environments... my '71 evinrude uses a rubber vaned water impeller.

the other is wear. at the outer edge of the vane there is quite a bit of rubber. the rubber there can take some wear and still retain a good seal to the pump housing's wall. however, the vane spoke itself is another matter.

it was pointed out to me that injesting lake water, prob sea also... is a kin to running a sand blaster. well, so to speak. so the column of water going thru the pump/cooling system also is abrasive. the water does not run past the end of the vane which is the seal, but does run (flow ) across the vane spoke. this can cause wear in this area. if this area wears there is a loss in pump efficiency. this can affect the engine's cooling ability.

well, that i how it was explained to me. makes sense.

so it is sound, sage advice when the guideline is to: if in doubt, change it.

sounds as if u have a good pump impeller if it flows well, however, perhaps for assurance purposes it ought to be changed.

but then he may have wanted to keep the repair bill under $500.00? because an impeller prob is $35-45, prob an hour time, and if he did a complete kit... $80 or so. so... if u include the drain plug seals... and the l/u fluids... you were looking at nearly $700.00 " to get it going". more if a full kit put in.

since u are not mechanically inclined, experienced ( no offese ) u may want to discuss it with the mechanic and follow the advice of the experts here on iboats, ( i am not one of them... ) and change it if it is over 2 seasons old, or u dont know its history.

btw~ u did a nice job touching up the engine cover. no doubt anyone that could do that could do some sound mechanical work, too. if i was u, i would get the oe service manual for ur engine... and a sear's mechanic's tool set... and have some fun!

good luck!

regards
lakester

 

[jay_merrill]

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I don't particularly subscribe to the "every two years" position with respect to water pump impellers. The reason why I do not is because I have run many motors well beyond that time frame and I use my motors much more than most people do - all without problems.

But .. when I do rebuild a water pump, I usually replace the housing, the base plate, the drive shaft key and the water tube grommet, along with the impeller. I also pay attention to the kind of water I am running through. If I were to accidentally run through some sand, or other very abrasive material, I wouldn't hesitate to drop the LU and replace whatever needed to be replaced - even if the impeller was brand new.

All of this said, the school of thought that supports frequent impeller replacement isn't a bad one. If there is one situation that will do nasty things to your motor very quickly, it is overheating it. So, when in doubt, or when suspicious of possible foreign object damage to the impeller, replace it.

As for your motor, I would say that the problem is that you don't know what shape the water pump is in. The uncertainty isn't just related to the impeller. If the entire unit was replaced the day before the motor was put away for all these years, you might be fine. There would be no wear on the blades, no roughness to the inside walls of the housing and no heat or ultraviolet light exposure to the rubber - its not inconceivable that the pump could work fine for a long time. But, and this is the big qualifier, the pump could be close to failing for any number of reasons. Since you seem to have found a great, old motor, why risk it over a few more dollars to either simply put a new impeller in, or replace the whole thing?

My advice is to go ahead and do the water pump. It's not that expensive and the peace of mind would make every dollar well spent.

 

[evinice66]

Re: 1966 evinrude that just woke up!

NEW IMPELLOR...makes sense to me!! thanks alot everybody!! you guys are genuine and dont mind helping a guy out thats awsome! "good karma to all, and to all a good wife"..... haha ... but i wonder what that mechanic was thinking, being a well reputable guy. STILL... "I think i might take her out once and see how she pumps for me.. if its anything like my ex.... i'll get a new one...." see that whould also cause overheating, but instead of my piston going bad, i got a leak in the lower unit, so i went with another model, instead of a re-build... ha ha<br> <br> <br>

<br> <br> <br> THANKS AGAIN, YOU GUYS RULE!!!!!!!

 

[Evinrude Boater]

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How's that steering working out for you? You must have very little steering arc. Will the motor tilt all the way up without binding and possibly breaking something?

It looks like your motor is missing some brackets to connect the steering rod to the motor. If you only have a loose bolt connecting them, this is not safe. The steering rod should be firmly attached to prevent the motor from wagging like a dog's tail. It must also have flexibility for when the motor turns and tilts. Have a look at the set-up in the photos.

 

[evinice66]

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WOW very observant arent ya... your connection looks ideal, i was afraid of the "dogtail" effect, and i was planning on doing something about that exept i cant find anything at a hardware store such as home-depo i havent had the time to just relax and go some where that whould have more specialty type
brackets because i dont have a car.... nope.... just gonna use tha ma's jeep to pull it in the begining, boat and no car or licence any advice on that besides dont drink and drive? lol... but your steering connection brought a whole new angle of possibilties i havent thought of yet thank you.... tony

 

[jay_merrill]

Re: 1966 evinrude that just woke up!

That method is good but there is another way also.

There are brackets made by aftermarket suppliers that mimic the tilt tube used on later model motors for standard "push-pull" type cable steering. The ones for motors that are 40hp and under, with screw type transom clamps, have plates that are mounted under those transom clamps. The plate has the tube welded to it and the push-pull rod in the steering is inserted and fastened to it just like it would be on a motor with the tilt tube on the motor's transom bracket. From that point, a standard link arm goes back to the motor's yoke and fastens on a bracket that is specifically designed for attachment to the yoke.

I like these units much better than the transom mounted or splashwell mounted clamps that simply hold the push-pull casing in place, allowing the steering to be connected to the motor as shown above. In such systems, tilt is restricted for the motor because the cable system has to flex from the position that the transom or splashwell mount is trying to hold it in.

The photo below is of the type of bracket that I am recommending, but is for a larger motor and is bolted to the transom via the engine mounting bolts, rather than just mounting under the transom clamps of a smaller motor. This item works just like the one that can be purchased for your motor.

I try not to recommend specific brand names here but I don't see one of these being sold at iboats so I guess it's ok. I have purchased these brackets through my local marine store and I know that they are getting them from a catalog wholesaler called Donovan Marine.

 

[evinice66]

Re: 1966 evinrude that just woke up!

WOW...that lookes real good but expensive.... but either one of those rigs wont kill me like mine would... you should see how bent that bolt is that connects the steering arm to the motor... and it hasntbeen in water yet.... also theres like a 3 1/2 in. play in it too!!! ha ha ha wow scary hey,
thanks for the advise u might have saved some lives here guys...
just kidding i would have done something better than the 59 cent special i got going on now b4 the maiden voyage... i still got 3 of the longest weeks of my life at least untill i can put it on lake michigan yet.... oh god i should go by myself first, i dont want to take anyone out on a death mission ah ha
but the fish have way to much allure to keep me off the water....

 

[jay_merrill]

Re: 1966 evinrude that just woke up!

The one in my photo is aout $200. The smaller version should be around $125. Check with your local OMC dealer or marine store.

 

[jay_merrill]

Re: 1966 evinrude that just woke up!

I did a little rummaging through my bins of excess boat "stuff" this evening and found the screw clamp type adapter that I bought several years ago. It is made by EzyGlide, who are the same folks that make a side stick, teleflex cable style steering system. EzyGlide claims that this unit works with the cable on the port side of the boat only but that isn't so. All you have to do to change it is to remove the positioning nuts and the screw in type zerk fitting on the tube and flip it for starboard side orientation.

It is rated for up to 40hp but I actually used it to steer a pair of 1958 Evinrude Bigtwins. I felt confident that it was sufficiently strong to steer the motors by connecting it to one and then connecting the two motors with a tie-rod. The low hp rating may be because it is designed to work with a stick steering system that EzyGlide makes which is only rated for 40hp. At any rate, I used it in my application for many hours without problems - no breakage, no signs of cracking anywhere, etc. About the only complaint that I had with my setup is that the tie-rod between the two motors made it hard to tilt one motor up to run single engine if I wanted to.

PS: The hard angle on the steering arm is not stock - I bent it that way because I needed to place the bracket assembly under one motor (starboard) and connect the arm to the other (port) - not a typical arrangement but it is what I had to do to make the application work in the space/configuration that I had. Obviously you wouldn't have to do this with one motor.

 

[Evinrude Boater]

Re: 1966 evinrude that just woke up!

I made my own connection bracket from a piece of stainless sheet metal that was a transom plate. I'll post a photo when I get back to my own computer. It cost me nothing and the big Speedifour in my avatar has been used for two seasons with it. My boat had the loose bolt connection when I got it. That's sooooooo scary.

 

[evinice66]

Re: 1966 evinrude that just woke up!

ahhh very nice, very nice ..... i just got some good news i'm going to be in the new banjo minnow infomercial! ha ha oh geeze also a couple fishing
magazines, all i did was write the company and told them it works great and send em a few pictures of the salmon i catch with them... im kinda of excited, so next fall if you see the infomercial look out for my boat and you can think to yourself.... hey if it wasnt for me that guy would be at the bottom of the lake!!!!!hahha

 

[evinice66]

Re: 1966 evinrude that just woke up!