Ordering pizza

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http://aclu.org/pizza/images/screen.swf .
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SgtMaj

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Re: Ordering pizza

What if we want that to happen? What action should we take then?
 

Bob_VT

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Even if the pizza places had all that...... they would still screw up an order because they are out of something....:p
 

kenmyfam

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Funny....and closer to the truth with some places than we would like to think !!!!
 
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Big brother only watchs what big brother wants to watch,thats the problem...Maybe big brother is watching me as I load my gun.
 

rolmops

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Not funny.
Just today my wife asked me if we should go for the Opt Out program which supposedly stops the credit card companies from sending you all the offers in the mail.
So we started filling out the sign up questionnaire...
The first question they ask is your social security number.....
 

SgtMaj

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Not funny.
Just today my wife asked me if we should go for the Opt Out program which supposedly stops the credit card companies from sending you all the offers in the mail.
So we started filling out the sign up questionnaire...
The first question they ask is your social security number.....

Right... so they know who to opt out...

I don't get it, what's the punch line?
 

Vlad D Impeller

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Not funny.
Just today my wife asked me if we should go for the Opt Out program which supposedly stops the credit card companies from sending you all the offers in the mail.
So we started filling out the sign up questionnaire...
The first question they ask is your social security number.....

Lazy buggers, if they were capable of properly doing their jobs; they would've discovered that they do already possessed your SS#.
Oorrr....Could it be that they do not want you to know that? ;)
 

BoatBuoy

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Right... so they know who to opt out...

I don't get it, what's the punch line?

The punch line is that the offers aren't sent to a Social Security Number. They're sent to a name and address and that's all they need. USPS wouldn't be able to do anything with just an SSN on the envelop.
 

RubberFrog

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The punch line is that the offers aren't sent to a Social Security Number. They're sent to a name and address and that's all they need. USPS wouldn't be able to do anything with just an SSN on the envelop.
They are sent to a name and address based on the information associated with your credit score via your social security number. They're not just guessing about your credit.
 

jay_merrill

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There was a time when it was actually against the law to use a social security number for anything other than tax and social security related issues. Agencies other than the IRS and SS Admin couldn't even ask for a SSN. The first breach of this very sensible rule that I am aware of, was by state motor vehicle departments. If my memory serves me correctly, they started putting social security numbers on drivers licenses in the early 80s. Not long after, the law was changed and it became legal for businesses to ask for a SSN. The catch was (and still is) that the consumer didn't have to give it, but the business could then refuse the good or service.

So, what's the big deal? It is simply this - we have allowed business interests to drive legislation that, while it serves their interests, it is not in the best interest of the individual citizen and consumer. Allowing people to collect a piece of information about someone that becomes a universal identification source invites all of the abuses and problems that we have seen in society since this has been done. Obviously, identity theft is the biggest problem and even state DMVs have recognized this. Most (if not all) don't put a SSN on a drivers license any more for exactly this reason.

My local utility company does not need to run my credit to provide electrical service to my house - they collect a deposit to protect themselves and they are required to provide service to anyone who puts up such a deposit and pays their bill. Yet, they demand my full social security number and, while I haven't researched the matter, I think that they are probably in violation of federal law in doing so, because I can't choose not to give it too them. This is true because I have no other choices in providers for electrical service.

Banks and credit institutions don't need a SSN either. They use the numbers because it makes life easy for them. While the government does pressure banks to collect a SSN these days for homeland security reasons, even that argument has been diluted lately with the allowance of banks to open accounts for illegal aliens, who are required to provide no information other than an ID issued in their home country.

Medical information is another problem. Any Human Resources professional will tell you that the rules set forth in both the federal HIPAA law and the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) are very strict. For example, if a business has any personal medical information, it can not be kept with other personnel records - there have to be separate files for each employee and those files can not even be stored in the same place as the rest of the info. Inspite of this, the use of a SSN to identify patients has made it very easy for people to gather information that is supposed to be private.

Another problem that I find to be the most disturbing of all, is the trend in the last few years for SSNs to be improperly released by failure to keep hackers out of databases and other problems. Those of us who are veterans remember the case a couple of years ago of a federal employee who stored tens of thousands of records on his laptop, which was stolen from his home. I was one of the folks who was affected. As it turns out, it is not believed that the info was actually found by the thief, but the incident could have caused immense problems. Add to this, all of the cases of the hackers getting into the databases of banks, large chain stores, credit agencies, etc., and there is a huge problem. Simply put, because SSNs are over used and have become a universal identification number, all a person with bad intent needs to do to cause huge problems for someone, is to get their social security number.

The pizza mpeg is a little bit more amusing than scary precisely because it seems to be so far fetched. But, is it? It probably wouldn't surprise anyone to know that collection of information on that level could be very easily done with today's computer systems and connectivity. What I don't think the average person gets, however, is the way in which "too much" happens. Its not an overnight thing - you don't go from acceptable collection and dissemination of personal information one day, to unacceptable levels the next. What we face is a slow creep towards an "anything goes" mentality and the line between OK and not OK is fuzzy, so its hard to decide just where it is.

I like the pizza mpeg because it invites constructive debate. I don't know exactly where the line in the sand in regard to personal information should be any more than anyone else does. What I do hope though, is that we start taking this issue a little more seriously as citizens.
 

Caveman Charlie

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There was a time when I carried my Social Security Card in my wallet and no body cared. I think I may have had it on my drivers license for awhile too. I had my drivers license number on my checks for decades. But, those days are gone. One of the bad things that happened because of computers.

For 25 years my Drivers license number was the same. I had it memorized and I still do that one. Then the state of MN decided that they should change your number every 5 years for "security reasons". The same year I had to get my new number we found out that MN has been selling our address and drivers license number to different company's .

I've always been confused by this.
 

BoatBuoy

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There was a time when I carried my Social Security Card in my wallet and no body cared.

Yea, I did too. It's been at the bottom of the lake now for about 40 years....and it had Janis Joplin's autograph on the back (long story). I found out you don't even need one to begin receiving SS benefits.
 

SgtMaj

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The punch line is that the offers aren't sent to a Social Security Number. They're sent to a name and address and that's all they need. USPS wouldn't be able to do anything with just an SSN on the envelop.

Yeah, but they get that from your credit profile, which is identified by your SSN. It's like the bank asking for your account number when you make a deposit. Sure they send the statement to a name and address, but they have to identify you by a unique number.

By the way, how many of you who think this kind of invasion of privacy is horrible carry one or more of those grocery store "savings" cards, or something similar from another store?
 

jay_merrill

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I don't carry store cards - I don't have a single one. The reason why I don't is twofold. First, the only way a store will insure frequent business from me is to give me a good price to begin with. There is a Winn Dixie grocery store very close to my home and I drive by it 98% of the time to go to a store that doesn't require cards. Second, I haven't had a house phone in over ten years and I use a cellphone provider that doesn't sell customer data to others. I am not about to give my number to a retailer, so that it can sell the info to others and have me burning up minutes telling a bunch of telemarketers to take a hike.
 
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